Executive pastors and second-chair leaders are often responsible for turning a senior leader’s vision into action—but what happens when there are more ideas than the organization can realistically execute?

Holly Tate of The Ready Network joins Phil and Tyler to discuss sustainable growth, second-chair leadership, and becoming “yes-obsessed.” Holly introduces the Yes Test, a five-question framework that helps church leaders evaluate new opportunities, protect organizational focus, and determine what deserves a yes—and what needs a no.

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CHAPTERS

03:01 — Holly Tate’s Leadership Journey

09:18 — Helping Leaders and Teams Prepare for Growth

12:59 — What It Means to Be Yes-Obsessed

16:21 — The Yes Test for Second-Chair Leaders

20:24 — Five Questions for Evaluating New Opportunities

28:01 — Leading Up and Earning a Seat at the Table

34:00 — Building Healthier Church Boards

36:23 — Using AI to Help Executives Stay Focused

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