Jill visits with Mark Healy, an experienced editor and writer recognized for his sharp insights into media influence and power dynamics. Together, Jill and Mark reminisce about their days at Condé Nast during what many regard as the company's golden age. They reflect on Condé Nast's unmistakable company ethos, from its unwritten codes of conduct like elevator silence to the subtle markers of hierarchy and achievement. They also trace Mark's career trajectory beginning with his early role at Playboy through his transformative work at Details and GQ, where he helped reshape both magazines' identities. Mark shares how Details positioned itself as GQ's rebellious counterpart, embracing a grittier, more youthful aesthetic. They delve into major industry transformations, particularly how digital media and the shift from model-focused to celebrity-driven covers revolutionized publishing. Following his Condé Nast years, Mark describes his transition to Men's Journal and subsequent projects, stressing how vital flexibility has become in today's media environment. Mark explains his latest project, 'The Nasty,' a short oral history podcast of Condé Nast through candid interviews with former staffers.

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Jill is joined by Mary Howard, a renowned set and production designer celebrated for crafting captivating, detailed environments for top fashion photographers. Mary traces her unconventional path from junior tennis player and art student in New Orleans to working alongside industry legends like Annie Leibovitz, Steven Meisel, and Steven Klein. She reveals her creative methodology for bringing conceptual visions to life in three dimensions, emphasizing how every small element matters in her designs. Mary reflects on formative experiences building elaborate Mardi Gras floats and working on the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade, which developed her production expertise. She recounts standout Vogue projects including the Edith Wharton series, Romeo and Juliet shoot, and a 'Shape of Water'-inspired shoot featuring Mia Goth, describing the complexities of coordinating intricate sets alongside animals and props. Looking ahead, Mary weighs in on how AI might reshape set design while offering guidance to newcomers in the field, stressing the value of flexibility, modesty, and genuine enthusiasm for the craft.

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Adam Green joins Jill to explore his evolution from screenwriter to Vogue's acclaimed theater critic. As the son of Broadway royalty Phyllis Newman and Adolf Green, he brings unique perspective to profiling entertainment's biggest names. Green shares intimate glimpses from his celebrity interviews, including a cringe-worthy childhood memory involving Bernadette Peters, the surreal experience of questioning Cate Blanchett during an eccentric theatrical production, and the complexities of a challenging sit-down with Vanessa Redgrave. The conversation takes a playful turn as Jill prompts Adam to evaluate how Hollywood stars like Amanda Peet, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Sienna Miller fared in their Broadway debuts. Throughout the interview, Green dispenses wisdom for emerging writers, stressing the value of networking, seizing unexpected chances, and finding the sweet spot between maintaining professional boundaries and fostering genuine rapport with interview subjects. His unvarnished observations provide equal parts amusement and professional counsel, informed by extensive experience at the crossroads of journalism and entertainment.

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Jill chats with fashion stylist Gabriella Karefa-Johnson, a fashion force who’s made it her mission to shake up the industry from the inside out. Gabriella shares her journey at Vogue from working as associate fashion editor for fashion director Tonne Goodman to becoming the first Black woman to style a Vogue cover in January of 2021 with her styling of model Paloma Elsesser. Her distinctive approach, which is layered, joyful, and purposeful, emphasizes support for emerging designers and size inclusivity, though her outspoken advocacy has led to industry conflicts. They delve into Gabriella's roots in Ojai, California, her grandparents' formative influence, and her time at Barnard College. She recounts pivotal internships that launched her fashion career, including roles at Elle Magazine and as an assistant to Hamish Bowles at Vogue. Gabriella candidly discusses Vogue's internal culture, her concerns about being sidelined due to her background, and her authentic bond with mentor Tonne, who profoundly shaped her career trajectory.
The episode highlights Gabriela's 2021 comeback to Vogue as Global Contributing Fashion Editor at Large, where she influenced iconic covers featuring Serena Williams, Paloma Elsesser, Kamala Harris, and others. She explains her departure from Vogue, driven by self-belief and a commitment to creating meaningful change while paving the way for future generations. The discussion includes some behind-the-scenes anecdotes from major photo shoots, Gabriella's talent-centered approach, and her perspective on the industry's persistent lack of diverse representation.

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Jill sits down with renowned makeup artist Stéphane Marais for an in-depth conversation about his cinematic approach to beauty. Over his thirty-year career, Stéphane has evolved from admiring Marlene Dietrich's elegance to creating iconic looks for stars like Rihanna.
Stéphane describes his signature style as centering on character creation. His trademark smudged black eyeliner technique transforms eyes into captivating focal points, while his preference for finger application creates an organic, personal touch.
He traces his creative roots to childhood influences spanning classic cinema and the landscapes of Africa and France. This early exposure drew him to Paris, where he abandoned economics studies to pursue makeup artistry. Stéphane shares stories from his collaborations with entertainment legends, including working with Faye Dunaway and styling Rihanna for her debut Vogue cover. He emphasizes how trust and tactile sensitivity form the cornerstone of his artistic relationships.
His breakthrough came when he substituted for Jacques Clément on a Peter Lindberg photoshoot. Clément worked with Catherine Deneuve and Isabelle Adjani. Stéphane also recounts meeting José Luis, the key makeup artist for Yves Saint Laurent.
While acknowledging industry transformations, Stéphane maintains his commitment to makeup as pure artistry, offering aspiring artists wisdom about nurturing passion and creativity.
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Jill catches up with Andrew Bevan, her former assistant at Vogue who's proven that being different is the quality that would define his career. The kid from Colorado who won best dressed in high school with a style he describes as "Gene Kelly meets Winona Ryder" has always been ahead of the trend, confident in his aesthetic even when others couldn't understand it. From aspiring Broadway star to Teen Vogue Style Director, Andrew opens up about his unconventional path through the fashion world, sharing incredible behind-the-scenes stories including booking cowboys, matadors and monks, oh my! Andrew unpacks his shift from handling the wildest requests as a Vogue assistant to carving out his freelance career in 2017, where he's now working with icons like Grace Coddington and legendary brands like Chanel.

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Before the covers, there was the interview. In this special bonus episode of Going Rogue, Jill guides us through an oral history. Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Norman Jean Roy, and other Vogue insiders take us back to their first encounter with Anna Wintour. They might not remember what they said. But ask them what they wore? Every single detail. The Olivier Theyskens skirt they couldn't afford, the Target top that had to pass for designer, the Manolos borrowed from the closet...
When you're about to meet Anna, you don't just prepare your answers. You prepare your look. As Anna turns the page, they remember how their stories began—with that first interview. Everyone remembers their first time… with Anna.

Featuring: Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Norman Jean Roy, Tonne Goodman, Karla Martinez de Salas, Gabby Karefa-Johnson, Versha Sharma, Leslie Fremar, Edward Barsamian, Brian Coats, Andrew Bevan, and Jill

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Jill sits down with celebrity stylist Leslie Fremar for a look at her remarkable career journey, from her early days as Anna Wintour's assistant to independent celebrity styling. Leslie takes us back to what it was really like being an assistant in fashion's golden era with the countless behind-the-scenes challenges that shaped her resilience. She opens up about her styling philosophy centered on timeless, quality pieces, and pays tribute to her most influential mentors, both Anna Wintour and Vogue editor Tonne Goodman, whose guidance helped shape her approach to fashion and career. Leslie shares stories from her transition to independent celebrity styling, including memorable moments working with Charlize Theron and styling for major red carpet events. She doesn't shy away from discussing the industry's tough realities, from grueling photo shoots to navigating customs with designer pieces, while offering hard-earned career wisdom for aspiring stylists about the value of apprenticeships and staying true to your authentic vision.

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