Jill talks with Garren, the legendary hairstylist who shaped fashion history over five decades. From his modest beginnings in a basement salon in Niagara Falls to becoming a fixture at Bergdorf Goodman and a trusted creative partner to photographers like Irving Penn, Richard Avedon, and Steven Meisel, Garren's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. They explore his work on transformative looks: Farrah Fawcett's feathered waves, Linda Evangelista's endless reinventions, and signature styles for Victoria Beckham and Karlie Kloss. Garren reflects on his collaborative relationships with fashion greats including Patrick Demarchelier, Bill King, and Arthur Elgort, plus challenging editorial shoots with Polly Mellen, Phyllis Posnick, Grace Coddington, and Tonne Goodman. From the evolution of hairstyling and the importance of mentorship to the industry's shift in the Instagram and AI era, it's a master class in fashion history for anyone who loves the craft.

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Note: This is a re-released episode from June 2025. When Jill sat down with Versha Sharma, she was Editor-in-Chief of Teen Vogue. Since then, Condé Nast has folded Teen Vogue into vogue.com, eliminating the masthead entirely. Sharma's job and the editorial identity she built were swept away in that restructuring, which is exactly why this conversation feels even more relevant now.

Jill sits down with Versha Sharma for the story of her climb to EIC at one of America's most influential youth publications. Drawing from her Louisiana upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrants, Sharma opens up about the feelings of otherness that fueled her passion for amplifying marginalized voices. The conversation traces her path from Obama's 2008 campaign through her evolution into journalism and her leadership at Teen Vogue during COVID-19 and the social justice reckoning of 2020.
Sharma describes the strategic evolution she guided, from embracing digital-first publishing to prioritizing video content for Gen Z audiences. The episode highlights groundbreaking editorial choices under her guidance, including features on Vivian Wilson, Elon Musk's transgender daughter, and Representative Maxwell Frost, the first Gen Z member of Congress.
Listening back, this conversation is a reminder of what leadership actually looks like in media and how much is lost when the industry sidelines the voices who push it forward.

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Jill speaks with iconic artist and photographer Steven Klein for an intimate exploration of his groundbreaking career. Renowned for his transgressive, culturally resonant imagery, Klein discusses his new book 'Steven Klein Vogue,' which chronicles two decades of boundary-pushing work within mainstream fashion photography. The conversation traces his journey from his Rhode Island upbringing through his transformative collaborations with Anna Wintour, Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Garren, Kate Betts, and Liz Tilberis at Vogue. Klein reflects on working with legendary figures including Alexander McQueen, Madonna, Prince, Pat McGrath, Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Gisele Bündchen, Brad Pitt, and countless other luminaries who have shaped contemporary fashion and culture.

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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.