After a brief detour into Himalayan blackberries and giraffes, the crew lands on an engaging chat about the benefits of biochar — and how to make it using the Rick method [QUE THE RICK ROLL]

A conversation that starts with dirty butts and the apocalypse somehow ends up as a surprisingly useful discussion about fulvic and humic acids in compost.

Kevin is triggered by the book Abundance by Ezra Klein, sparking a conversation about a techno‑utopian future in which plants are grown indoors, meat is made in a lab, and humanity moves further away from the natural world.

Farmers Pat & Seth question Kevin about the trials and tribulations of building silvopasture systems on his farm.

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Kevin's book recommendations:

Tree Crops: A Permanent Agriculture - by J. Russell Smith, (Brace & Company, 1929) - View on Bookshop.org

Silvopasture: A Guide to Managing Grazing Animals, Forage Crops, and Trees in a Temperate Farm Ecosystem - by Steve Gabriel (Chelsea Green Publishing , 2018) - View on Chelsea Green Publishing

The Grazier's Guide to Trees: How to integrate silvopasture for resilience and profit - by Austin Unruh - View on Trees For Grazers

Restoration Agriculture: Real World Permaculture for Farmers - by Mark Shepard (Acres U.S.A. , 2013) - View on Acres USA

Farmers Pat, Seth, and Kevin discuss the topic of how to start a farm or homestead.