Raf Lopez de Azua graduated from the Naval Academy months before 9/11. By the time he got to his ship, everything had changed. What followed was a career built across government consulting, a Cornell MBA, global brand training at P&G, and now Coty — where he runs global media effectiveness and serves as the company's AI champion.

In this episode, we get into:

→ What 22-year-old wartime leadership actually teaches you about managing teams

→ Why "nobody's gonna die" unlocks better decision-making in marketing

→ How P&G's training is worth more than an Ivy League MBA

→ The real story behind Coty's GMP consolidation — and why it didn't work

→ What vendors get wrong about enterprise tech debt and switching costs

→ How Coty governs AI with a cross-functional board and a buy/rent/build framework

→ Why agentic buying is intriguing — and the question nobody's answering yet

→ The agency talent pipeline problem nobody wants to talk about

If you buy media at scale, manage a global marketing org, or sell into enterprise accounts, this one is essential.

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CHAPTERS

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00:00 From Naval Academy to 9/11: The Origin Story

02:12 What Military Leadership Actually Teaches You

05:00 From Navy to Brand Marketing — The P&G Connection

10:58 Global Strategy vs. Local Reality at P&G

17:54 Resolving Global-Local Tension With Data

20:57 The GMP Consolidation Promise (And Why It Failed)

25:39 Learning to Live With Measurement Uncertainty

29:07 What Vendors Get Wrong About Tech Debt

36:05 Shifting From Efficiency to Effectiveness

42:42 Inside Coty's AI Champion Role

45:10 AI Governance: The Buy/Rent/Build Framework

48:09 Agentic Buying and the Future of Media Agencies

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KEY TAKEAWAYS

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1. Military leadership = managing whole people, not just tasks

2. "Nobody's gonna die" — perspective is a performance multiplier

3. P&G brand training outperforms any MBA for practical marketing skills

4. Global brand consistency: non-negotiable pillars + data-driven local flexibility

5. The unified tech stack is a myth. Walled gardens won't consolidate.

6. Perfect measurement data doesn't exist — learn to work with uncertainty

7. Vendors: enterprise switching costs are real. Get into the consideration set early.

8. Build efficiency first. Then layer effectiveness on top.

9. AI governance belongs to IT, legal, data, AND marketing — not just one team

10. Agentic buying: intriguing concept, but who catches the hallucinations?

11. Thinning the agency talent pyramid with AI may break the expert pipeline

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CONNECT

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