Third Way Senior Fellow Frank Sharry has been at the center of nearly every major push for immigration reform for decades — and watched almost all of them fall apart.

Now he wants Democrats to reckon with where they went wrong on immigration, and how the party can reclaim the middle in the midterms and beyond.

Sarah McCammon spoke with Sharry about how Democrats lost credibility on the border, the “both-and” answer he thinks can win back swing voters, and how four decades working with refugees shaped his view of the issue.

IN THIS EPISODE:
00:00 — Cold open
1:33 – Both parties captured by the loudest factions

4:33 — Biden's border fix came too late

8:34 — Secure the border, reform enforcement at home

19:18 — The "both-and-" answer costs and the Atlantic op-ed that cost Sharry old friends

30:57 — Order and generosity, "two sides of the same coin"

39:20 — Sharry's origin story

43:44 — The math behind Trump's demonization of immigrants

We have some exciting news to share: the podcast will soon have a new look and a new name. We’re officially becoming Unmoderated.
You’ll notice new colors, new fonts, and a fresh look but the content you know isn’t changing.

Sarah McCammon will still be sitting down with leaders, advocates, and changemakers to unpack the personal stories that shaped them and the battles they’re taking on today.

We'll see you next week for the start of a new chapter.

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