What do quantum physics, sacred numbers, and the depths of the psyche have in common? More than you might think. In this episode of Jungian Perspectives: Conversations in Depth, host and Jungian analyst Molly Jordan sits down with Christophe Le Mouel, Ph.D. — quantum physicist, executive director of the C.G. Jung Institute of Los Angeles, and analyst-in-training in Zurich. His three-part series For a Reflection on the Wholeness of Nature, published in Psychological Perspectives, dares to ask what happens when rigorous science encounters the living reality of the soul.

This is a conversation about numbers as more than quantities — as qualitative, even spiritual, phenomena. About the scientific revolution's forgotten mystical roots. About dreams, synchronicities, and the mystery of what endures beyond the physical. Molly brings warmth, candor, and her own delightful bewilderment to a dialogue that is as personal as it is profound.

Come for the physics. Stay for the soul.

CHRISTOPHE LE MOUËL, PH.D., trained as a mathematician and quantum physicist in France. Since 2008, he has served as the executive director of the C. G. Jung Institute in Los Angeles, where he lives with his wife and twin boys. He is co-editor-in-chief of the quarterly journal of Jungian thought, Psychological Perspectives, and a candidate in training at the Research and Training Centre for Depth Psychology according to C.G. Jung and Marie-Louise von Franz in Zürich. He is also the co-editor of Conversations with Marie-Louise von Franz on Synchronicity and Numbers: Insights and Amplifications (2025), published by Inner City Books.

This episode is based on the following articles:

Le Mouël, C. (201​1). Four: A Reflection on the Wholeness of Nature, Part I. Psychological Perspectives, 5​4(​2), ​175–​196. https://doi.org/10.1080/00332925.2011.573390

Le Mouël, C. (201​1). Four: A Reflection on the Wholeness of Nature, Part II. Psychological Perspectives, 5​4(​4), ​453–​487. https://doi.org/10.1080/00332925.2011.623470

Le Mouël, C. (2012). Four: A Reflection on the Wholeness of Nature, Part III. Psychological Perspectives, 55(2), 219–245. https://doi.org/10.1080/00332925.2012.677677