People will really sleep with their best friends spouse and then kill the friend and marry the spouse instead of going to therapy. In this special CrimeCon 2025 episode we talk about the documentary Mr and Mrs Murder and ask the big questions: What would these wild couples have looked like in couples counseling? Would it have prevented the tragic ending they came to? And what was Blythe's deal? Join us for thought experiments, couples counseling tools, and psychological profiling (allegedly) of the perpetrators.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this episode we talk through (spoilers ahead) the Netflix show Unknown Number and ask the big questions. Namely: WTF? WTAF?! and What the hell is wrong with you, Kendra?! We discuss histrionic behavior, munchausen-by-proxy in the digital age, and if and how it's possible to come back from a big, big screw-up. Some people will ruin their kids lives instead of going to therapy. Don't be one of them!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Inspired by the Netflix documentary Stalking Samantha, this episode is a deep dive into the real-world implications of stalking. We'll discuss the immense courage required by the victim to come forward and face her abuser, and the infuriating roadblocks she encountered in the legal system. Our conversation also focuses on the psychological traits that drive stalkers, and why their behavior can be so difficult for law enforcement and the courts to properly address. This episode highlights the critical need for a more comprehensive and compassionate approach to protecting survivors of stalking

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this midweek mini, we have a quick discussion about the complex relationship dynamics behind the idea of "mankeeping". Are women doing the emotional labor? Who is carrying the mental load? And how can we put these things aside and help achieve relationship equality?

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In September 1996, Tupac Shakur was shot and killed in Las Vegas. Six months later, Biggie Smalls met the same fate in Los Angeles. This episode takes a detailed look at the final days of these two iconic artists and the investigations into their deaths. We examine the alleged connections between the murders, the role of their famous feud, and the theories that have circulated for over two decades, revealing a story of a rivalry that ended in tragedy and left behind a legacy of unanswered questions

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

So you're telling us that this girl, on tiktok, is in a love/hate triangle with her psychiatrist and her AI chatbot? We have to talk about this! What is transference in a therapy setting? How close is too close (emotionally) to your therapist? And who should be helping maintain those boundaries? And don't miss us at CrimeCon 2025 in Denver!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

The 2012 disappearance and murder of 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway in Westminster, Colorado, shattered a community and forced parents everywhere to re-evaluate their children's safety. This episode revisits the tragic case and the unsettling capture of her killer, Austin Sigg. We engage in a difficult but necessary debate about sympathy for the killer—examining his troubled history and whether it holds any weight in the face of his horrific crime. Most importantly, we then pivot to a broader, more personal conversation: how do we balance our innate need to keep our kids safe with their need for freedom, a topic brought into painful focus by Jessica’s walk to school and the everyday activities like sleepovers that we once took for granted?

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

A data breach on an app touted as a safety tool for women inadvertently exposed personal private information about its users. Women using the app to share information about men then had their information leaked by men. Where does the line fall between sharing red flags and defamation? Is it okay to share pictures of men without consent in the name of safety? We spill the tea on the Tea app. Tell us what you think!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.