In this episode, filmmakers Brandon and Lance Kramer discuss the profound process of documenting a family crisis, the ethical considerations involved, and the impact of their documentary on audiences worldwide. They share insights into building trust, editing for nuance, and making the film accessible to a global audience.

Knife, an interview with Salman Rushdie and Rachel Eliza Griffiths

# Exploring the Depths of Trauma in 'Knife'

> A candid conversation with Salman Rushdie and Eliza about their documentary journey.

In this deeply moving episode, we dive into the making of the documentary *Knife: The Attempted Murder of Salman Rushdie*, featuring insights from Salman Rushdie, Eliza, and co-hosts Bart, John, and Justina. Together, they explore the personal and artistic challenges of depicting such a traumatic event.

## A Personal Journey Through Trauma
The episode opens with Bart introducing the guests, highlighting the significance of the film in providing a deeper understanding of an event that many know about, yet few truly comprehend. Justina expresses gratitude for Salman and Eliza's willingness to share their deeply personal story, framing it as an inspiring tale of love amidst adversity.

Eliza discusses her approach to filming, sharing how she utilized her professional camera to document the painful yet pivotal moments following the attack on Salman. "Every ugly tear snot coming out of my nose," she recalls, describing the emotional release she felt when her camera arrived, symbolizing a return to her identity as a storyteller.

> "It was like a part of my name or a part of my body, like an organ had been given back to me... Here is something about my identity that I still have that is empowering." - Eliza

## The Impact of Collaboration
Salman reflects on the unique experience of being the subject rather than the maker of the film. He mentions the importance of surrendering creative control to director Alex, believing that their proximity to the material made it essential to have another artist's perspective. "We were too close to the material to make the film ourselves," he states, emphasizing the necessity of collaboration in storytelling.

They discuss the emotional weight of revisiting the scene of the attack, a decision that stemmed from Salman's desire for closure. Eliza shares her initial hesitation, but ultimately felt it was a journey they needed to undertake together.

> "I wanted to go back from quite an early point in the recovery. I had this strong instinct that I wanted to revisit the scene of the crime." - Salman Rushdie

## Blurring the Lines of Past and Present
As they recount their visit to Chautauqua, where the attack occurred, the discussion shifts to how Alex skillfully interwove past footage with their present experience, creating a powerful narrative. Eliza describes the emotional transformation she witnessed in Salman as he confronted the past, highlighting the significance of revisiting such a traumatic site.

> "I could have been standing there by myself. So there were a lot of powerful forces in that moment." - Eliza

The episode concludes with a powerful reflection on the necessity of sharing stories, particularly those steeped in trauma. The film not only serves as a testament to resilience but also sheds light on the complex emotions tied to revisiting painful memories.

This episode is a compelling exploration of art, trauma, and the healing process, offering listeners a profound understanding of the emotional landscape navigated by Salman and Eliza as they brought their story to life. For the full experience, listen to the complete episode.

In this episode, filmmaker Sam Green discusses his latest film about aging and the oldest person in the world, exploring themes of time, mortality, and the power of vulnerability in documentary filmmaking. Host Bart and Sam delve into the creative process, influences, and future projects, offering insights for aspiring filmmakers and curious minds alike.

00:00 Introduction to Sam Green and his latest film

01:52 Sam Green's early career and influential films

03:57The concept and inspiration for the film about the oldest person in the world

07:07 The significance of time and the use of cardboard signs

10:05 Personal elements and family in the documentary

12:04 The influence of Marlon Riggs and experimental documentary

15:03 Organizing vast amounts of footage and the editing process

19:55 Vulnerability and authenticity in personal filmmaking

23:59 Future projects: a film about trees and live orchestral cinema

25:56 Current oldest person in the world and closing thoughts