What did Jesus mean when he told his disciples they would do "greater works" than he did? In this episode, Rob Pine and Cynthia Michael dig into Lesson 5 of the Fire Up! study guide, unpacking Jesus' astonishing promise in John 14:12. They trace how the Holy Spirit's coming (John 16:7) transformed the scope of ministry — from Jesus' physical, geographically-limited three-and-a-half-year ministry to a movement that would explode across Asia, Europe, and Africa through the Spirit's power. Rob and Cynthia walk through the story of Philip and the Ethiopian official in Acts 8 as a model of Spirit-empowered obedience, then explore John 14:20's picture of believers bound up in the very heart of the Trinity — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Along the way, Cynthia offers a striking comparison between the tiny geography of Jesus' earthly ministry and the size of Texas, and Rob shares how he challenges young families to see discipling their own children as their first "disciple project." The conversation closes with a fresh way of thinking about an old, familiar prayer — inviting listeners to ask not for Jesus to come into their hearts, but for their hearts to be transformed into his.

This episode is a companion to Lesson 5 of the Fire Up! study guide by Mark Schubach and Jennifer Hicks, available at lifemarkministry.org.