In this episode, I welcome Thomas Restout, Groupe CEO of B2C2, for a rigorous and highly technical conversation on crypto « market making » and the structural differences between traditional finance and blockchain-based markets. Unlike many discussions focused on price or retail narratives, this episode goes deep into balance sheet mechanics, risk management, derivatives infrastructure, and capital efficiency.

We discussed:

• How B2C2 works as a « digital asset securities bank » - providing continuous pricing, OTC execution, and derivatives solutions to institutions, exchanges, and token issuers.
• What market making really means in practice: aggregating fragmented liquidity, holding risk temporarily, and matching client flows / just like in FX, but 24/7.
• The full risk stack behind every trade: credit risk, settlement risk, liquidation risk, regulatory risk and why it's more complex than most people think.
• How B2C2 evolved from cross-exchange arbitrage in 2015 into a regulated OTC model built to compete with the world's top HFT firms.
• Why institutional adoption is « overstated » ETF exposure grew fast, but real on-chain adoption (wallets, stablecoins, infrastructure) is moving much slower than expected.
• Why blockchain settlement is a game changer: near-instant settlement reduces credit risk, speeds up balance sheet rotation, and can dramatically cut margin requirements in derivatives.
• How B2C2's trading engine works in practice: streaming prices via API, internalizing flows, and hedging across 50+ venues including ETFs, spot exchanges, perpetual futures, and DeFi.

A dense and highly educational exchange that connects traditional finance expertise with crypto-native infrastructure, and clarifies what truly changes, and what does not, when markets move on-chain.

Useful links:

Thomas Restout: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-restout-b2c2/

B2C2: http://www.b2c2.com

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Finscale is much more than a podcast.

It’s an ecosystem that connects key players in the financial sector through networking, coaching, and strategic partnerships.

📢 With Finscale Private Talks, I bring together investors, entrepreneurs, and institutions for high-value private exchanges – I have zero tolerance for bullshit.

🎯 Through my coaching and advisory support, leaders and finance professionals can better structure their vision and accelerate their impact.

🤝 As for partnerships, they create unique opportunities to position yourself at the very heart of the industry’s transformation.

🔗 Discover all the initiatives on the Finscale website : https://finscale.business

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Produced by Gokyo Sàrl-S, hosted by Audiomeans©. Visit the Privacy Policy of Finscale and Audiomeans for more information.

This is an excerpt of Solenne's conversation with Thomas Restout, Group CEO of B2C2

Finscale is also available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@finscale.

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Finscale is much more than a podcast.

It’s an ecosystem that connects key players in the financial sector through networking, coaching, and strategic partnerships.

📢 With Finscale Private Talks, I bring together investors, entrepreneurs, and institutions for high-value private exchanges – I have zero tolerance for bullshit.

🎯 Through my coaching and advisory support, leaders and finance professionals can better structure their vision and accelerate their impact.

🤝 As for partnerships, they create unique opportunities to position yourself at the very heart of the industry’s transformation.

🔗 Discover all the initiatives on the Finscale website : https://finscale.business

Enjoy listening!

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In this episode, I speak with Robin Wauters, European tech ecosystem builder at EU-Inc, about a topic that goes far beyond startups and venture capital headlines: the structural fragmentation of Europe’s innovation landscape — and the ambitious idea behind EU Inc.

Unlike many Finscale conversations focused on a single company or founder journey, this episode zooms out. It explores whether Europe needs a new legal and financial framework to truly compete on a global scale — and what is structurally holding it back today.

We discussed:

• The origin of the EU Inc initiative: a proposal to create a single, pan-European corporate structure that would allow startups to incorporate once and operate seamlessly across all EU member states, instead of navigating 27 different legal systems.
• The concrete friction points founders face today in Europe — from incorporation and employee stock options to cross-border investment complexity — and how these barriers slow down scaling compared to the US.
• The political and regulatory challenges of building such a framework, including the tension between national sovereignty and the need for deeper integration to foster innovation.
• The role of capital markets in Europe, and why fragmentation in listing rules, taxation and supervision makes it harder to create true European champions.
• The broader competitiveness question: how Europe positions itself between the US and China in technology, capital formation and regulatory agility.
• The realistic path forward — what can be implemented pragmatically, what requires political courage, and why timing matters in the current geopolitical and economic context.

A thoughtful and strategic conversation about Europe’s future as a startup continent — not just in terms of funding rounds, but in terms of structural design.

Robin’s recommendation:

• Podcast “Stuff you should know”: https://stuffyoushouldknow.com/

Useful links:

Robin Wauters: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinwauters/

EU-Inc: https://www.eu-inc.org

Sirris: http://www.sirris.be

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Finscale is much more than a podcast.

It’s an ecosystem that connects key players in the financial sector through networking, coaching, and strategic partnerships.

📢 With Finscale Private Talks, I bring together investors, entrepreneurs, and institutions for high-value private exchanges – I have zero tolerance for bullshit.

🎯 Through my coaching and advisory support, leaders and finance professionals can better structure their vision and accelerate their impact.

🤝 As for partnerships, they create unique opportunities to position yourself at the very heart of the industry’s transformation.

🔗 Discover all the initiatives on the Finscale website : https://finscale.business

Enjoy listening!

Produced by Gokyo Sàrl-S, hosted by Audiomeans©. Visit the Privacy Policy of Finscale and Audiomeans for more information.

This is an excerpt of Solenne's conversation with Robin Wauters, European tech ecosystem builder at EU-Inc

Finscale is also available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@finscale.

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Finscale is much more than a podcast.

It’s an ecosystem that connects key players in the financial sector through networking, coaching, and strategic partnerships.

📢 With Finscale Private Talks, I bring together investors, entrepreneurs, and institutions for high-value private exchanges – I have zero tolerance for bullshit.

🎯 Through my coaching and advisory support, leaders and finance professionals can better structure their vision and accelerate their impact.

🤝 As for partnerships, they create unique opportunities to position yourself at the very heart of the industry’s transformation.

🔗 Discover all the initiatives on the Finscale website : https://finscale.business

Enjoy listening!

Produced by Gokyo Sàrl-S, hosted by Audiomeans©. Visit the Privacy Policy of Finscale and Audiomeans for more information.

In this episode of Finscale, I welcome Jorn Lambert, Chief Product Officer at Mastercard, for a deep dive into the transformation of global payment infrastructure and the strategic role played by large technology-driven financial institutions. A conversation that goes far beyond cards and transactions, shedding light on how value actually moves in the financial system.

We discussed:

• Mastercard’s evolution from a payment network to a global technology and data company operating at the heart of financial infrastructure.
• How payments are becoming increasingly invisible, embedded and real-time, while growing in strategic importance for businesses and platforms.
• The role of data, analytics and AI in fraud prevention, risk management and decision-making across the payment value chain.
• The balance between innovation, regulation and resilience in a system that must operate continuously at global scale.
• The transformation of partnerships with banks, fintechs and corporates in an increasingly modular financial ecosystem.
• How digital identity, tokenisation and new rails are reshaping trust and security in payments.
• The challenges of governing and operating critical financial infrastructure in a world of accelerating technological change.

A clear and insightful conversation on the often unseen layers of finance, showing how payment infrastructure is quietly being rebuilt to support speed, security and global interoperability.

Useful links:

Jorn Lambert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jorn-lambert/

Mastercard: https://www.mastercard.com

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Finscale is much more than a podcast.

It’s an ecosystem that connects key players in the financial sector through networking, coaching, and strategic partnerships.

📢 With Finscale Private Talks, I bring together investors, entrepreneurs, and institutions for high-value private exchanges – I have zero tolerance for bullshit.

🎯 Through my coaching and advisory support, leaders and finance professionals can better structure their vision and accelerate their impact.

🤝 As for partnerships, they create unique opportunities to position yourself at the very heart of the industry’s transformation.

🔗 Discover all the initiatives on the Finscale website : https://finscale.business

Enjoy listening!

Produced by Gokyo Sàrl-S, hosted by Audiomeans©. Visit the Privacy Policy of Finscale and Audiomeans for more information.

This is an excerpt of Solenne's conversation with Jorn Lambert, Chief Product Officer at Mastercard

Finscale is also available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@finscale.

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Finscale is much more than a podcast.

It’s an ecosystem that connects key players in the financial sector through networking, coaching, and strategic partnerships.

📢 With Finscale Private Talks, I bring together investors, entrepreneurs, and institutions for high-value private exchanges – I have zero tolerance for bullshit.

🎯 Through my coaching and advisory support, leaders and finance professionals can better structure their vision and accelerate their impact.

🤝 As for partnerships, they create unique opportunities to position yourself at the very heart of the industry’s transformation.

🔗 Discover all the initiatives on the Finscale website : https://finscale.business

Enjoy listening!

Produced by Gokyo Sàrl-S, hosted by Audiomeans©. Visit the Privacy Policy of Finscale and Audiomeans for more information.

In this episode of Finscale, I welcome Yoram Wijngaarde, Founder and CEO of Dealroom.co, for a sharp, data-backed conversation on what is really happening in the global tech and venture capital ecosystem.

Beyond headlines and hype, this episode offers a rare, factual look at how innovation, capital and power dynamics are shifting.

We discussed:
• Yoram’s journey from investment banking at Lehman Brothers to founding Dealroom, and how the financial crisis and M&A work with startups shaped his entrepreneurial path.
• How Dealroom evolved from a deal-making idea into a global data platform used by VCs, tech giants and more than 100 governments to understand and benchmark innovation ecosystems.
• The unique methodology behind Dealroom’s data, combining public sources, deep human-led research and contributions from a global community of investors, founders and universities.
• What the last 18–24 months really look like for venture capital, with global investment still far below 2021 peaks despite massive AI rounds, and Europe stabilising around €60bn per year.
• The growing gap between the US and Europe, driven by AI mega-deals, rising valuation multiples in the US, and Europe’s relative absence from the largest funding rounds.
• Sector-level shifts beyond AI, including the return of fintech through incumbents and infrastructure plays, and the explosive rise of deep tech and defense, security and resilience.
• How Dealroom is preparing for the next wave of AI, from transforming its internal development processes to building a shared global data layer for cities and startup ecosystems.

A clear, insightful episode that replaces speculation with data — and offers essential perspective for anyone navigating tech, venture capital or innovation today.

Yoram’s recommendation :
• Odd Lots, the Bloomberg podcast.

Useful links:

Yoram Wijngaarde: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yoramdw/

Dealroom.co: https://dealroom.co/

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Finscale is much more than a podcast.

It’s an ecosystem that connects key players in the financial sector through networking, coaching, and strategic partnerships.

📢 With Finscale Private Talks, I bring together investors, entrepreneurs, and institutions for high-value private exchanges – I have zero tolerance for bullshit.

🎯 Through my coaching and advisory support, leaders and finance professionals can better structure their vision and accelerate their impact.

🤝 As for partnerships, they create unique opportunities to position yourself at the very heart of the industry’s transformation.

🔗 Discover all the initiatives on the Finscale website : https://finscale.business

Enjoy listening!

Produced by Gokyo Sàrl-S, hosted by Audiomeans©. Visit the Privacy Policy of Finscale and Audiomeans for more information.

This is an excerpt of Solenne's conversation with Yoram Wijngaarde, Founder and CEO at Dealroom.co.

Finscale is also available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@finscale.

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Finscale is much more than a podcast.

It’s an ecosystem that connects key players in the financial sector through networking, coaching, and strategic partnerships.

📢 With Finscale Private Talks, I bring together investors, entrepreneurs, and institutions for high-value private exchanges – I have zero tolerance for bullshit.

🎯 Through my coaching and advisory support, leaders and finance professionals can better structure their vision and accelerate their impact.

🤝 As for partnerships, they create unique opportunities to position yourself at the very heart of the industry’s transformation.

🔗 Discover all the initiatives on the Finscale website : https://finscale.business

Enjoy listening!

Produced by Gokyo Sàrl-S, hosted by Audiomeans©. Visit the Privacy Policy of Finscale and Audiomeans for more information.