Why do so many business owners leave significant money on the table when they sell their companies?

In this episode of Buy-and-Build & Scaling Stories, Anirvan Sen speaks with M&A practitioner Vicky Fang about exit readiness — and why preparing a business for sale should begin long before a buyer appears.

Vicky brings experience across audit, financial diligence, investment banking, corporate development, integration, separation, and sell-side readiness.

A central idea in the conversation is that owners should not begin by asking:

“What is my business worth?”

Instead, Vicky suggests starting with a much more personal question:

“How much money do I actually need in my bank account after taxes?”

That changes how an owner thinks about valuation, timing, lifestyle, tax planning, and the work that may still need to be done before going to market.

We discuss:

• predictable cash flow, sustainable growth, and transferable value
• why founder dependency can reduce the value of a business to a buyer
• why replacing one indispensable founder with one indispensable successor does not solve succession
• why processes and knowledge need to move from individuals into the organization
• strategic capacity and why it should be considered during M&A diligence
• why buyers need to ask whether they can actually absorb another acquisition
• how deal excitement and momentum can weaken diligence
• why headline purchase price is very different from what the owner ultimately receives
• how the business may currently be funding the owner's lifestyle
• why personal tax and wealth planning should start well before a sale
• how long founders may need to remain after an acquisition
• the difference between leaving the CEO role and leaving the company
• how sellers should think about earn-outs

We also explore the difference between being opportunistically acquired and systematically preparing for an exit.

The broader lesson is simple:

The best time to prepare your business for sale is when you do not need to sell it.

Building a company with predictable economics, sustainable growth, strong management, lower founder dependency, and transferable value does more than improve exit readiness.

It creates a better business.

Connect with Vicky Fang
LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/vicky-fang/

Connect with Anirvan Sen
LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirvansen/

Books & Resources Mentioned

Buy-and-Build Operating System — Anirvan Sen
https://www.amazon.com/Build-Operating-System-Buy-Build-ebook/dp/B0GNN7WR72/

The Growth-Driving Advisor: Proven Strategies for Leading Businesses from Stuck to Best-in-Class — George Sandmann
https://www.amazon.com/Growth-Driving-Advisor-Strategies-Best-Class/dp/164225875X

Can I Borrow Your Car?: How Successful Financial Advisors Can Grow Their Business and Love Their Life — Mike Garrison
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BKSCTHL7

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Presented by Anirvan Sen.

Why do some businesses scale successfully through acquisitions while others struggle long before integration even begins?

In this episode of Buy-and-Build & Scaling Stories, Anirvan Sen speaks with Nicholas Gleeson, drawing on more than 35 years of experience across CFO, CEO, board, strategic advisory, and acquisition-led growth roles around the world.

The central idea is:

Buy-and-build succeeds or fails long before the deal is done.

A substantial part of the conversation focuses on boards and governance — and why the board required by a $20M entrepreneurial company can be very different from the board required as that business becomes larger and more institutional.

Anirvan and Nick explore:

• how boards should evolve as companies scale
• the five capabilities a scaling-company board may need: people, finance, compliance, commercial, and technical expertise
• why boards should mentor and develop management, not merely supervise it
• the role of independent directors and chairs
• when the founder can become a constraint on future growth
• how boards should approach CEO succession
• why CEO and CFO roles change dramatically across scaling stages
• design debt — what happens when organizational design fails to keep pace with growth
• why design debt compounds as complexity increases
• why a company may sometimes need to stop growing temporarily to repair its organizational foundation
• why post-acquisition organizational design should begin before the deal closes
• why postponing compensation alignment after an acquisition can be a major mistake
• how communication and operating cadence need to evolve with scale
• what makes an effective buy-and-build leadership team
• Nick’s memorable description of exceptional people who deliver “the ask +20%”

The broader lesson is that successful buy-and-build is not simply about finding good companies and completing acquisitions.

Every acquisition adds more people, decisions, systems, incentives, leadership complexity, customers, and governance requirements.

If the organization underneath the acquisition is not ready for that complexity, the deal can amplify existing weaknesses rather than create value.

You cannot sustainably scale the business faster than you scale the organization that has to run it.

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Books & Resources Mentioned:

• Buy-and-Build Operating System — Anirvan Sen

• The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy — Douglas Adams

• Good to Great — Jim Collins

• The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People — Stephen R. Covey

• Against the Gods: The Remarkable Story of Risk — Peter L. Bernstein

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Buy-and-Build & Scaling Stories
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Presented by Anirvan Sen.

Why do some companies continue scaling while others get stuck at $20M, $50M, or $60M in revenue?

One of the biggest mistakes founders, leadership teams, and investors make is treating scaling as one continuous journey. It isn’t.

In this special educational episode of Buy-and-Build & Scaling Insights, Anirvan Sen introduces a five-stage framework for understanding how companies evolve from approximately $5M to $250M+ in revenue:

• $5M–$15M: Founder-Led
• $15M–$30M: Foundation Formation
• $30M–$60M: Capabilities Build
• $60M–$120M: Institutionalization
• $120M–$250M+: Strategic Capital Leveraged Growth

The real value of the framework is not the revenue ranges themselves, but understanding what has to change between stages.

Anirvan explores how Finance, HR, leadership, management systems, capital allocation, and the role of the CEO all need to evolve as the company grows.

The episode also looks at three common scaling mistakes: relying too heavily on trial-and-error leadership development, bringing experienced capability in too late, and hiring professional managers without building the processes and systems around them.

A particularly important question for founders is whether they actually want to become the kind of CEO the next stage requires.

The central idea is simple:

You do not scale a company simply by making the existing business bigger. You scale it by repeatedly rebuilding the organization for the requirements of its next stage.

Connect with Anirvan Sen

LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirvansen/

About Buy-and-Build & Scaling Insights

Buy-and-Build & Scaling Insights is Fifth Chrome’s educational series exploring practical frameworks and ideas around business scaling, professionalization, leadership, acquisitions, organizational capability, and buy-and-build.

Hosted by Fifth Chrome.
Presented by Anirvan Sen.

What does it take to move from a corporate career into entrepreneurship — and then build and scale a technology business internationally?

In this episode of Buy-and-Build & Scaling Stories, Anirvan Sen speaks with Samit Sengupta, Founder and Managing Director of Geologix, about his journey from corporate leader to entrepreneur.

But this is not simply a story about starting a company.

It is about what happens as the company grows — when the founder’s expertise is no longer enough, hiring becomes harder, the organization becomes more complex, and the entrepreneur must evolve alongside the business.

Samit shares how his early experience working on oil rigs gave him a first-hand understanding of his customers and helped shape the way he approached the market.

He also speaks candidly about one of the challenges many founders eventually face: becoming a bottleneck in their own business.

Our conversation then turns to one of the biggest challenges for growing SMEs — hiring.

Samit discusses mistakes made by pursuing candidates with impressive “gold label” companies on their CVs and why experience in a major corporation did not always translate into success in a smaller entrepreneurial business.

That experience led to a different approach: recruiting less-experienced people, looking closely at their attitude and problem-solving ability, and investing in developing their capabilities over time.

We also discuss Geologix’s experience with freemium, international scaling, and why Samit continues investing in his own leadership development even after decades of experience.

• Samit’s journey from corporate leader to entrepreneur
• How experience on oil rigs shaped his understanding of customers
• Winning the confidence of early customers
• Building and scaling an international technology business
• Recognizing when the founder becomes a bottleneck
• Why impressive corporate CVs do not always produce the right SME hires
• Hiring less-experienced people and developing their capabilities
• Looking for attitude and problem-solving ability during interviews
• Geologix’s experience with freemium
• Why entrepreneurs need to continue upgrading their own leadership capabilities

As your company grows, are you simply building a bigger business — or are you building an organization capable of operating at a bigger scale?

One of the strongest lessons from Samit’s journey is that the capabilities required to start a business are not necessarily the capabilities required to scale it.

Starting often depends heavily on the founder’s knowledge, relationships, expertise, and problem-solving ability.

Scaling increasingly depends on building those capabilities throughout the organization.

And that requires the entrepreneur to keep evolving too.

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Connect with Samit Sengupta

• ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/samit-sengupta-b560613/⁠
• Geologix:⁠https://www.geologix.com/⁠

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Connect with Anirvan Sen

• LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirvansen/⁠

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About Buy-and-Build & Scaling Stories

Buy-and-Build & Scaling Stories brings together founders, CEOs, CFOs, investors, operators, and advisers who have lived through the challenges of building, acquiring, scaling, and exiting businesses.

These are stories from inside the journey — the decisions, challenges, mistakes, and lessons that rarely appear in deal announcements or investment presentations.

Hosted by Fifth Chrome.
Presented by Anirvan Sen.

Buy-and-Build & Scaling Stories

Talent and leadership are among the biggest challenges for companies pursuing rapid growth, scaling, and buy-and-build strategies. Yet HR is still frequently viewed primarily as an administrative function.

In this episode, Anirvan Sen speaks with seasoned HR practitioner Michelle Kaihani about how HR's role needs to evolve as organizations grow.

What does it take for HR to move beyond administration and become a genuine business enabler? What skills and capabilities are required? And how can HR earn the credibility and respect needed to influence senior leadership?

The conversation explores the changing demands on HR and why developing organizational capabilities is essential to scaling a business.

Topics covered:

• How HR's role changes as a business grows and scales.

• Talent and leadership as potential constraints to growth.

• The capabilities HR needs to become a genuine business enabler.

• Moving beyond administration toward greater business contribution.

• Earning credibility and respect with senior leadership.

• The importance of evolving organizational capabilities alongside business growth.

This episode is relevant to HR professionals, CEOs, founders, investors, acquisition entrepreneurs, and senior leaders responsible for scaling businesses.

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Connect with Michelle Kaihani

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-kaihani-esq-sphr-181b168/

• Email: mk@mkhrsolutions.com

--------------Books mentioned

1. Functional Integration in Mergers and Acquisitions by Anirvan Sen | Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=9798290562636
2. Performance Intelligence at Work: The Five Essentials to Achieving the Mind of a Champion by Julie Bell | Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=9780071625142

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Connect with Anirvan Sen

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirvansen/

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About the podcast

Buy-and-Build & Scaling Stories features conversations with founders, executives, investors, operators, and advisers who have experienced the challenges of building, acquiring, scaling, and exiting businesses.

Hosted by Fifth Chrome. Presented by Anirvan Sen.

What does it really take to be a CFO when a business is going through an exit?

Jim Carver reflects on his experience with two business exits and how dramatically the CFO’s role changes during that period. We talk about long hours, intense management reporting, faster decision-making, the need to understand the entire business, and why the CFO often becomes the bridge between management and investors.

Jim also compares his first exit with his second—and shares what changes when you have already been through the process once.

Connect with Jim Carver
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimcarver36/
Email: jim_carver59@yahoo.com

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