Steve and Serge discuss religion and spirituality, how religious people can be both spiritual and non-spiritual, and how religion can express both the best and worst in human nature. Religion is about supporting and strengthening the ego, while spirituality is about transcending it. Indigenous peoples' worldviews were essentially non-religious, and theistic worldviews developed at a fairly late stage in human history. Can religion help to heal the world, or do human beings need to transcend religion?

• (00:00:00) - Talking about the weather in England
• (00:00:44) - The Difference Between Religion and Spirituality
• (00:08:09) - The mystical experiences of Christians
• (00:11:09) - Christian Nationalists: Aberrational
• (00:15:52) - The Religious Continuum of Connection
• (00:22:05) - The trauma of spirituality in Northern Ireland
• (00:29:31) - Monistic and Separation in Religion
• (00:39:23) - The Desacralization of Nature
• (00:44:10) - The Spirit of the Warrior
• (00:52:00) - Understanding the despair of the Right
• (00:55:03) - Steve Harris on Religion and the Future
• (01:00:04) - THE HUMAN RACE WILL REBOUND

Serge and Steve interview therapist and relationship coach Susan Campbell about the importance of authenticity and how a transformational approach can heal both interpersonal and international conflicts. As an 85 year old, Susan also shares the origins of her amazing vitality and positivity.

• (00:00:00) - French President Serge
• (00:00:16) - Susan Campbell
• (00:02:24) - A visit from Susan after 40 years
• (00:03:33) - Susan Flannery on Life at 85
• (00:07:43) - Susan Flannery on Writing
• (00:09:09) - Inspiring Women: Creativity and Service
• (00:12:59) - The Pain of Parenting
• (00:14:06) - Susan on Being a Selfish Woman
• (00:17:59) - The Couple's Journey: Five Stages
• (00:24:28) - The polarization of human groups
• (00:31:35) - How to Realize the Need for Change
• (00:38:12) - Serge on His Own Trauma
• (00:45:09) - Can Being Authentic Hurt People's Feelings?
• (00:50:07) - Coming to Terms With Old Age
• (00:56:27) - What's Your Spiritual Challenge?
• (01:03:13) - Susan, Do You Believe Death Is The End?
• (01:08:32) - The Evolution of Psychedelia
• (01:09:28) - In the Elevator With Susan Jones

Steve and Serge speak with author and teacher Philip Carr-Gomm about his life and work, spirituality and the state of the world. We also ask Philip about his most influential spiritual book, teacher and piece of music, and the most powerful place he has visited.

• (00:00:00) - Hello, sir.