In Marcus' final episode as co-host of In the Meanwhile, he and Nora turn the microphones on each other to ask what this strange, joyful experiment has taught them about surviving a slow-motion apocalypse. They reflect on the conversations that changed them, the power of community, the everyday work of making change, and why joy is something worth collecting even in the bleakest times. It's a bittersweet farewell, a love letter to the people who carried the show, and a reminder that whatever comes next, we survive the meanwhile together.

Mentioned in the episode:

Marcus is leaving journalism, but he'll never stop fighting for the south end | More about Marcus | Ad Astra | Ella Baker: Strong people don't need strong leaders | Camp Laurel's final Family Camp |

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