Most digital products reflect the people who build them, not the people who use them.

That insight led Alwar Pillai to build Fable, a company with 70% of its workforce living with a disability - they’re a business that wholly promises to practice what they preach.

They’ve brought people with disabilities into the heart of product development for some of the most recognised brands in the world; Microsoft, Walmart, Meta and Figma to name but a few.

So how did Alwar build something that’s scaled true to her vision, and how has she navigated the journey from designer to Founder, to CEO, and back out again? Join us on this week’s episode of Extrology.

Lee and Alwar discuss:

• Designing beyond the “average user”
• The journey from compliance to usability in accessibility
• Building Fable as a bridge between disabled users and tech giants
• Leadership, succession, and letting go as a founder
• AI bias and the future of inclusive products

Alwar Pillai:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/alwarpillai/

Fable:

https://makeitfable.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/company/makeitfable/

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Starting a business is a deeply irrational act - yet Christoph Lippuner was driven to create purpose for not just his own life, but for the whole healthcare sector.

Semble was born from a very personal experience in Christophe's family and from the realisation that healthcare professionals often have systems working against them, rather than for them.

This week’s episode of Extrology is focused around building from crisis, making trust the real product in healthcare, and how a founder learns to become a CEO without losing the mission.

Lee and Christoph discuss:

• The Founder to CEO Transition, and Letting Go
• Purpose and Personal Story in Entrepreneurship
• Fixing Healthcare Through Trust and Interoperability
• Reducing Clinician Burnout and Admin Overload
• Mindfulness, Creativity and Sustainable Leadership

Christoph Lippuner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christoph-lippuner-9a0b6951

Semble

https://www.semble.io/

https://www.linkedin.com/company/semble-health/

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Some stories are told for inspiration, some for entertainment, but a very few become instruction manuals for the next generation.

Today’s Extrology episode documents one such manual, written by a leader forged through experiences at Oracle, Salesforce and Siebel Systems - Steve Garnett.

He grew up in a council house in Liverpool, mentored by one maths teacher who changed everything.

Behind Steve’s work scaling some of the most iconic tech machines in history, lies a lesson in systems, scar tissue and scale with soul.

What Steve's doing now with education, legacy and angel investing reveals not just how to build billion dollar companies, but how to build the kind of life that compounds…

Lee and Steve discuss:

• The power of resilience and mentorship in shaping a life and career
• Leadership at Oracle, Siebel, and Salesforce, and how they maintain high-performing
• The critical role of core values
• Challenges and opportunities presented by technological revolutions, and the need for leaders to adapt and drive change from the top
• Legacy, philanthropy, and giving back

Steve Garnett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stgarnett/?originalSubdomain=uk

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