Quine, "Identity, Ostension, and Hypostasis" — Part 2 of 2

Part 1 left the machine in pieces: five shapes pooled into one region, and the moral that the smallest word we have has been leading a double life. Part 2 is where Quine tells you what the second life costs, and the answer is three letters. Not a doctrine, not an argument—a suffix. Add "-ness" to a perfectly innocent adjective and you have just admitted an abstract entity into your ontology, and nobody will stop you, because the grammar does it silently!

In Part 2, Solomon and Clementine work out the bill. Why the ostension of square differs from the ostension of the Cayster by exactly one word—whether identity is imputed across the pointings — and why that one word is the whole difference; how the general term goes deflationary, so that pointing teaches a skill rather than acquainting you with an entity, and "is square" need name nothing at all; Frege's toll-booth, a criterion for when a term is naming (will it go into an identity context and obey the law of putting equals for equals?), and how it welds Quine's two contrasts into one contrast seen twice; then the operator itself—"class of" and "-ness", one move in two notations—and Quine's shrug at the difference between an attribute and a class, which turns out to be a signpost rather than a shrug. Commitment lives in the noun, not the adjective. Then the conjecture: that abstract entities got their hold on our imaginations through nobody noticing this distinction in the first place.

Then the verdict, and the three things Clementine has been carrying in pencil since Part 1. The blank check on natural groupings—left standing, and traced forward to Goodman, to entrenchment, and to grue. Discourse-relativity—paid in full by section five's pragmatic standard, just a section later than promised. And Hume's ghost, where the hosts genuinely disagree and end split rather than convinced.

Start with Part 1 — this half runs straight on from the cliff, and we rebuild the room at the top but we do not reassemble the machine.

This is a close reading across two parts, so you come away actually understanding the argument, not just its headline. Read along if you like: W. V. Quine, "Identity, Ostension, and Hypostasis," Journal of Philosophy 47, no. 22 (October 26, 1950), pp. 621–633 — also reprinted, lightly reworked, as chapter IV of From a Logical Point of View (1953), pp. 65–79.

[Also, this being one of the first few episodes, there are a number of artefacts and audio wrinkles that I have noted and have plans to implement fixes for in the later recordings. So treat these first handful of episodes as more of a pilot than a representative of the standards for this show.]

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Quine, "Identity, Ostension, and Hypostasis" — Part 1 of 2

Every undergraduate is told you cannot bathe in the same river twice, and nobody has ever quite believed it. Quine agrees that you can—flatly, you can—and then spends thirteen pages working out precisely what it costs to say that this is so! The cost of this is a machine: take some acts of pointing, add an identity claim, and objects come out the other end. The machine builds a river. Then it builds the colour red. Then it is asked to build the shapes square and triangle, and something goes badly wrong.

In Part 1, Solomon and Clementine assemble the machine and watch it break. Heracleitus dissolved in two sentences; river-stages and water-stages, and how you may bathe in the same water twice while bathing in two different rivers; why pointing on its own fixes almost nothing until identity is imputed across the gestures, and what the paper quietly borrows to make the induction work; Hume's ghost, invited in and never quite shown out; the maxim of the identification of indiscernibles, which demotes Leibniz from legislator to management consultant; and then the nominalist's Christmas morning, where redness dissolves into red, the largest red thing there is, and the inventory stays entirely concrete. Then Quine draws the only figure in the paper — a square, both diagonals, both midlines, thirty-three regions, five shapes — and the whole beautiful construction collapses into a single object. Part 1 ends at the wound: "this is the Cayster" and "this is square" were never the same is.

No prior Quine needed; we build every piece from the ground up.

There's also a short primer episode for this paper (Ep. 04), released just before this one—the universals debate as it actually stood at mid-century and what it costs to stand on the nominalist side of it, why explanation by pointing was a foundational question rather than a parlour trick, and where Quine himself was standing in 1950, which is a stranger place than his reputation suggests. It's background rather than paper; if you already hold that ground, skip it with our blessing.

This is a close reading across two parts, so you come away actually understanding the argument, not just its headline. Read along if you like: W. V. Quine, "Identity, Ostension, and Hypostasis," Journal of Philosophy 47, no. 22 (October 26, 1950), pp. 621–633 — also reprinted, lightly reworked, as chapter IV of From a Logical Point of View (1953), pp. 65–79.

[Also, this being one of the first few episodes, there are a number of artefacts and audio wrinkles that I have noted and have plans to implement fixes for in the later recordings. So treat these first handful of episodes as more of a pilot than a representative of the standards for this show.]

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Quine, "Identity, Ostension, and Hypostasis" — Primer

Listen to this first if you want the background before the paper itself; skip it with our blessing if you already hold this ground. None of it is the paper—that's Parts 1 and 2.

A primer is background laid down before the episode proper. Today, neither host opens the paper at all: Quine's "Identity, Ostension, and Hypostasis" is thirteen entirely lucid pages that decline to introduce their own room, assuming you know which argument it walked into and who was already standing there. So Solomon brings three things, and Clementine tests them.

1: The universals debate as a live argument rather than two glossary words. A floor tile, a napkin folded over once, a window pane—what makes one word do work three times? Two flavours of realism a nominalist must refuse, and four nominalist instincts from this period, the fourth of which is the one to carry in: a property as a single scattered concrete object, so that every square thing is not an instance of squareness but a part of it.

2: Why explanation by pointing was foundational. Definitions run out; for an empiricist the chain has to end in an encounter, which makes indicating a sample the theory's one point of contact with the world. Russell behind it, then Carnap's Aufbau building every concept we possess from a basis thin to the point of showmanship, then the Vienna Circle's own people arguing through the early thirties over protocol sentences until Neurath says the structure has no bottom course of bricks.

3: Where the man himself was standing, stranger than his reputation suggests. Not the settled logician of the reading list, but Quine three years after "Steps Toward a Constructive Nominalism"—the 1947 paper with Goodman that opens "We do not believe in abstract entities"—an experiment he ran honestly, in public, and did not complete. Plus the criterion from "On What There Is": not a test on nouns but a question of what survives regimentation and what you cannot paraphrase away. He is mid-stride here, not reporting.

Then the paper itself, in two parts, on the other side of that door.

The paper: W. V. Quine, "Identity, Ostension, and Hypostasis," J. Phil. 47.22 (26 Oct 1950), 621–33; repr., lightly reworked, in From a Logical Point of View (1953), ch. IV, 65–79. Background, none of it required: Goodman & Quine, "Steps Toward a Constructive Nominalism," JSL 12.4 (Dec 1947), 105–22; Quine, "On What There Is," Rev. Metaphysics 2.5 (Sept 1948), 21–38; Carnap, Der logische Aufbau der Welt (1928), trans. The Logical Structure of the World; and, on protocol sentences, Neurath, "Protokollsätze," Erkenntnis 3 (1932), 204–14, against Schlick, "Über das Fundament der Erkenntnis," Erkenntnis 4 (1934), 79–99, both translated in Ayer, ed., Logical Positivism (1959).

[Also, this being one of the first few episodes, there are a number of artefacts and audio wrinkles that I have noted and have plans to implement fixes for in the later recordings. So treat these first handful of episodes as more of a pilot than a representative of the standards for this show.]

New here? Everything Whatsoever does close readings of individual philosophy papers, hosted by two AI voices and made, reviewed, and fact-checked by the human philosopher behind the show — see the show description for the full story and the accuracy caveats (treat episodes as a guide, then read the paper yourself).

Questions, corrections, or a paper you'd like covered? I'd genuinely love to hear from you: everythingwhatsoeverpodcast@gmail.com

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