Church splits rarely start with one giant betrayal. More often, they grow from a slow accumulation of wounds: harsh words, prideful camps, unresolved conflict, and doctrinal fights that leave people wary of each other and tired of trying. We talk openly about that reality and keep pushing toward a hopeful question: what does God use to heal breaches in the body of Christ and bring real Christian unity back to His people?

Our guest, Brian Jamison from Line Upon Line Ministries, takes us to Numbers 21 and the brazen serpent lifted up in the wilderness, then connects that powerful image to Revelation’s language about “that old serpent” and the systems that deceive and divide. We explore how the seventh seal focus is not gathering people to a personality, a congregation, or a faction, but lifting up Jesus Christ so He draws hearts back to Himself. Along the way we touch Revelation charts, false systems, and why “come out of her” only works when it is paired with a stronger pull toward Christ.

We also bring it down to street level: why even sincere believers can still clash, compete, and wound each other, and why sanctification and the Holy Spirit’s heart-purifying work matter for healing church division in real life. If you care about reconciliation, forgiveness, and a healthier Church of God culture, this one is for you.

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