Dr. Sina interviews physician and author Dr. Suzanne Humphries about her book Dissolving Illusions and the central question it raises: were vaccines the main reason we stopped dying in large numbers from smallpox, whooping cough, measles, and polio - or did other factors play a bigger role?

They discuss the current measles outbreak and trace vaccine history back to the 1800s, including the smallpox story most of us never heard. From the 1916 Rockefeller lab leak of polio to how fear, mandates, and punishment have been used in America across different eras to shape vaccine compliance, nothing is off limits.

Dr. Humphries' website: https://dissolvingillusions.com/

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