My best friend, Erin Smith joins me for the discussion of the heartbreaking story at the center of the Netflix documentary about Mica Miller. She also brings a unique perspective because she is a therapist and a wife of a pastor.

We talk about what does healthy spiritual leadership look like? How can communities better support women who may be struggling behind closed doors? And how do we learn to recognize when something in a relationship or church environment isn’t healthy?

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Micah Miller documentary

04:02 Initial reactions and impressions of the documentary

07:07 The red flags in Micah's marriage

11:00 Mental health, medication, and emotional well-being

14:59 The issue of divorce and Christian beliefs

17:04 The significance of community support in crisis

18:09 Signs of emotional and spiritual abuse to watch for

18:51 The importance of honesty and speaking out

20:58 The effects of medication and physical health on mental state

21:04 The cycle of abuse and the cycle of silence in faith communities

23:00 The emotional and verbal abuse Micah endured

23:57 Lessons on healthy leadership and accountability in churches

24:57 The challenge of balancing faith and mental health

26:50 Reflections on leadership, maturity, and calling

27:11 The importance of self-awareness and boundaries for women

29:06 The importance of seeking help and community support

29:54 Micah's tragic decision and the importance of mental health support

31:11 Final thoughts and lessons learned

33:01 The role of community in healing and prevention

35:59 Final thoughts on faith, community, and personal safety