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Where does a sermon actually come from?

In this conversation, Jonathan sits down with Rev Jerry Jones, whose messages have shaped a generation — and asks the question most of us never get to ask: what was the genesis of that message?

Two sermons anchor the conversation. And in both cases, the answer starts in personal devotions, not sermon prep.

"But Amnon Had a Friend."

A sermon that has been preached for over thirty-five years and still lands. It began with a question about youth camp — what breaks through on the first night when students arrive carrying weight from every kind of background? The answer was peer pressure, the one universal struggle. And the text was already there: Amnon, the heir apparent to David's throne, who knew what was right and was winning the fight — until a friend named Jonadab talked him out of it.

The conversation traces how the sermon evolved, how "a friend" broadened over the decades to include culture, society, and now TikTok, X, and Instagram. And how it closes — with a grandmother in the grip of dementia who could not recognize her own grandson, but who said, on the bad days, I sing. What a friend we have in Jesus.

"The Lost Letter."

The 2025 General Conference message. It started in devotion — Paul telling the Colossians to share their letter with Laodicea and to read the one sent there. Except there is no letter to Laodicea. Somewhere along the way, a church that was neither hot nor cold simply let it slide.

And it converged with a story from home: a hat that once belonged to Andrew Urshan, thrown in a trash can because nobody knew what it was, rescued by someone walking past who did. When Urshan's great-granddaughter later asked if she could hold it, something clicked.

The result was a message about what we're teaching when we quietly remove things — altar benches, communion tables, pulpits, songbooks, the preacher on the platform. Not because any of it decides heaven or hell. But because those things were teaching something, and we may not have realized it.

Don't tear a fence down until you know why it was built.

The closing questions. What sermon that someone else preached impacted you the most? And what sermon that you preached impacted you the most? The answers include A.D. Spears on grace, O.R. Fauss on "The Danger of Side Roads," and a message on the glory of God drawn from Moses interceding after the golden calf — where Moses won his appeal not by pleading God's love or grace, but His glory.