AI governance is usually treated as a policy problem. Mat Mallett, who has led technology at board level from the UK Space Agency to a cancer charity he founded himself, says the real problem is that even he can't control generative AI once it's out in the world.In this episode of The AI Values Podcast, Edosa Odaro and Lindley Gooden sit down with Mat Mallett, a board-level technology leader whose career runs from the UK Space Agency to CTO/COO of Cancer Central, the AI health tech charity he founded, where he also led development of Scotland's NHS 111 app, for a conversation about what actually happens when AI moves from theory into the boardroom. Mat's argument is uncomfortable for anyone treating generative AI as a solved problem: these systems are still teenagers, prone to hallucinating with total confidence, and the only real safeguard is human in the loop oversight, clear AI compliance expectations, and holding software vendors to account. Along the way the conversation covers AI-powered cyberattacks, deepfakes eroding trust on social media, what happens to personal data once AI can map it at scale, and why boardroom critical thinking matters more than ever as agentic AI edges toward autonomy.◼ Guest LinkedInWHAT IS COVERED: ► Mat Mallett says today's generative AI models are still teenagers. "They think they know everything… but they hallucinate badly," he warns, and explains why over-reliance on their outputs is his biggest AI safety concern right now.► AI-powered cyberattacks and deepfakes on social media: Mat on the "whack-a-mole" battle hackers are now winning with AI, and why AI-generated fakes are quietly reshaping public opinion.► What happens to your personal data once AI can map it at global scale. Mat explains the upside of AI-personalised recommendations, and the less obvious cost: a shrinking diversity of thought as algorithms cluster people who already think alike.► "We can't control generative AI," Mat says, and it's exactly why human in the loop oversight and software vendor accountability matter more as agentic AI edges toward full autonomy. Guardrails, he argues, look different for every business.► Inside the boardroom: how Mat reads the room when a board paper doesn't feel right, why critical thinking matters more than technical fluency, and his closing take on why quantum computing, not generative AI, is what genuinely excites him next.⏰ EPISODE TIMESTAMPS:00:00 - AI Governance in the Boardroom: Why We Can't Control Generative AI03:38 - AI Ethics From the UK Space Agency to Cancer Central05:01 - AI Safety Risk: Generative AI Hallucinates Like a Teenager06:20 - AI Deepfakes and Cyberattacks: The Governance Blind Spot14:08 - Data Privacy in a Fully Digital World 17:07 - Agentic AI vs Generative AI: Why Vendors Must Be Held to Account 19:44 - Responsible AI Leadership: Critical Thinking in the Boardroom 25:23 - Quantum Computing: The Next AI Breakthrough Mat Mallett Is Chasing #TheAIValuesPodcast #AIGovernance #ResponsibleAI #podcast #AgenticAI──────────────────────────────────────ABOUT THE AI VALUES PODCAST:The AI Values Podcast is where leaders come to think clearly about the trade-offs behind AI adoption not just the opportunities. Hosted by Edosa Odaro (author, 'The Values of AI') and Lindley Gooden (author, 'The Future of Truth'), with weekly conversations at the intersection of AI, trust, governance, and the future of work.🎙 SUBSCRIBE to The AI Values Podcast for honest, rigorous conversations at the intersection of AI ethics, AI governance, and business leadership.◼ Find out more about the Institute ◼ Co-Hosts: Edosa Odaro & Lindley Gooden