American society is having a crisis of meaning, made all the more dire by our fractured social, digital and political silos, and this has profound psychological and spiritual consequences for each of us as individuals, and collectively as a nation. In this episode, Tamara and Sarah talk about some of the causes of the current crisis and what we can do to address it.

Tamara Webb is a licensed psychotherapist serving clients in Oregon, Washington, and Utah (www.fivebodiescounseling.com) and was a Pulitzer-nominated journalist in her first career. Sarah Saito is a trained shamanic practitioner and ghost whisperer (www.sarahsaito.com) who does in-person work in Oregon and Washington, and on-line work for those further afield.

Tamara Webb, a licensed psychotherapist, and Sarah Saito, a shamanic healer, offer the backstories that explain who they are and why they've decided to start a podcast addressing the concerns of modern life from the perspectives of psychology and spirituality.

Tamara Webb is a licensed psychotherapist serving clients in Oregon, Washington, and Utah (www.fivebodiescounseling.com) and was a Pulitzer-nominated journalist in her first career. Sarah Saito is a trained shamanic practitioner and ghost whisperer (www.sarahsaito.com) who does in-person work in Oregon and Washington, and on-line work for those further afield.