EP265 - From Using AI to Influencing AI, with Ross Rafahël
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A shared apartment in Johannesburg. A career built across four continents. And a question that now shapes how organizations think about AI. Ross Rafahël sits down with Jens Heitland to talk about the difference between using AI and influencing it, why structured unlearning matters more than another degree, and what gets lost when decisions are made without clarity of intent.
Timecode:
00:00 Reunion and Setup
00:46 Brotherhood in Johannesburg
01:59 Global Moves and Career Leaps
05:36 First Steps with AI Tools
08:32 From User to AI Influencer
10:21 Market Flooded Human Gap
12:19 Relevance Jobs and Purpose
16:02 Human Decision Infrastructure
19:04 Structured Unlearning with AI
21:37 Organizations and Untapped Markets
27:33 Future You Program Explained
30:00 Governance and Decision Conditions
32:49 Benefits for Business and Society
35:05 Practical Tips and How to Engage
38:12 Closing Thanks
Guest:
Website: https://www.rossrafahel.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rossrafah%C3%ABl/
Connect with Jens:
https://www.jensheitland.com/links