"You don't want to just 'hang in there' forever. You want to be able to thrive again."

—Clarissa Moll

Today's Episode: Natalie talks with Clarissa Moll about her personal journey of loss—discussing the impact of her husband's death and how she navigated grief with faith. Clarissa helps us understand the complexity of finding joy even amidst deep sorrow. She talks honestly about struggling for faith and the importance of community. Clarissa also talks about her dedication to helping different age groups cope with grief, creating resources to help both kids and adults.

This month's memory verse: "Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will be joyful in God my Savior." — Habakkuk 3:18

Today's guest: Clarissa Moll is an award-winning writer and podcaster who helps bereaved people find flourishing after loss. Clarissa’s writing appears in Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, RELEVANT, Modern Loss, Grief Digest and more. She co-hosted Christianity Today’s “Surprised by Grief” podcast and produces Christianity Today's flagship news podcast, "The Bulletin." Clarissa’s debut book, Beyond the Darkness was a best-selling new release in 2022. She is the author of the Beyond the Darkness Devotional, Hurt Help Hope: A Real Conversation about Teen Grief and Life after Loss, and Hope Comes to Stay.

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• Find out more about Clarissa at ClarissaMoll.com.
• Get your copy of How to Remember, by Andrew Osenga.
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• Get The Biggest Story Holy Bible here for 30% off with a free Crossway Plus account.
• Check out the Dwell Differently Christmas Sale!

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"These are the words that we need in our own despondency and our sadness and the hard reality of living in the world that we live in. We need a defiant, 'Yet I will rejoice in the Lord. I will be joyful in God my Savior.'"

— Natalie Abbott

Today's episode: Join Dwell Differently cofounders and sisters Natalie Abbott and Vera Schmitz as they talk about finding joy even in the toughest situations—in the Bible and in their own lives. They help us understand Habakkuk's struggle for defiant joy in spite of his fear and his complete lack. They also talk about the gritty daily reality of choosing joy every day—especially when life feels bleak. They are compassionate and compelling. It's a message you won't want to miss.

This month's memory verse: "Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will be joyful in God my Savior." — Habakkuk 3:18

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Links from today's show:

• Get your copy of How to Remember, by Andrew Osenga.
• Check out Qava to help you study the Bible (use code DWELL50 for 50% off).
• Get The Biggest Story Holy Bible here for 30% off with a free Crossway Plus account.

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"Joy is accessible to all of us now, if we've put our trust in Jesus. This is something we can access and practice."

— Nicole Zasowski

Today's Episode: In this heartfelt episode, Nicole Zasowski sits down with Natalie Abbott to chat about the beautiful yet challenging journey of finding joy in the midst of life's trials. They discuss the biblical practice of speaking truth into circumstances as a means or rewiring our feelings and rooting our hope in Christ. Nicole shows how joy can be a choice we make, even when life feels tough. She opens up about her own experiences, sharing how practicing joy and wrestling with God can deepen our relationship with Him. The conversation is a warm reminder of the power of hope. Listeners are invited to embrace joy and trust in God's promises, no matter what life throws their way.

This month's memory verse: "Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will be joyful in God my Savior." — Habakkuk 3:18

Today's guest: Nicole Zasowski is a licensed marriage and family therapist, sought-after speaker, and author. She lives in Connecticut with her husband and three young children.

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Links from today's show:

• Get your copy of How to Remember, by Andrew Osenga.
• Check out Qava to help you study the Bible (use code DWELL50 for 50% off).
• Get The Biggest Story Holy Bible here for 30% off with a free Crossway Plus account.
• Celebrate with a Piper and Leaf Tea Advent Calendar (use code DWELL10 for 10% off.

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Follow Natalie & Vera at DwellDifferently.com and @dwelldifferenly.