If your idea of “partnerships” is guest speakers and career fairs… you’re playing small.

In this episode of the Disrupt Education Podcast, Peter Hostrawser and Alli Dahl unpack the uncomfortable truth: partnerships don’t scale by hope — they scale by design. And if districts want real work-based learning, internships, and community-connected pathways, they can’t keep treating partnerships like a PR checkbox.

This conversation ties together the “boundary spanning” framework from Chris Brida’s work and turns it into a practical leadership lens: how do we fund, staff, protect, and scale programs so they outlive one superhero leader? How do we rebuild trust when education has broken promises to industry? And what does it actually take to shift from event-based partnerships to real outcome-based systems?

You’ll hear why naming your program matters (because what’s named can be funded), how trust is built through consistent design, and why schools that refuse to staff partnership work don’t really want partnerships — they want optics.

And yes… Alli brings a chicken into the episode to prove the point: you don’t get “cuddly chickens” unless you’re willing to get in the coop and do the work.

In this episode:

Why most school partnerships fail (and how to fix it)Partnership design vs. partnership “events”Funding + staffing + scaling programs through clear namingRebuilding trust with industry and community partnersBoundary spanning as the missing leadership frameworkThe chicken coop metaphor you won’t forget

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What happens to a school system when boundary spanning doesn’t exist?

In Part 2 of this Disrupt Education Podcast conversation, Peter Hostrawser and Alli Dahl go deeper with Chris Brida (CTE Director, Portland Public Schools) to unpack what’s at risk when education stays siloed—by departments, by bell schedules, by “that’s not my lane.”

Chris shares what his dissertation research is revealing about partner ecosystems, including what actually changes partner perception (hint: it’s not tenure) and why engagement intensity matters if we want real alignment between classrooms and industry. He also breaks down how to teach boundary spanning without a textbook—by designing experiences where leaders “trip over the truth” through role-based practice (and he previews how he’s doing this at SXSW EDU).

This episode zooms out to the bigger disruption: moving beyond “partnership management” toward partnership design—and ultimately building CTE as a civic engagement engine where students work on real problems, with real partners, producing real impact.

If you’re a district leader, CTE leader, principal, teacher-leader, or anyone trying to build work-based learning, internships, industry partnerships, and deeper learning, this one will give you language, structure, and a direction to move.

Key topics in this episode:The risks of NOT doing boundary spanning in educationWhat partner survey data says about alignment + student experienceWhy “time barriers” aren’t the whole storyHow to teach boundary spanning through experience-based learningBreaking silos: interdisciplinary learning and “erasing the edges” of class periodsScaling CTE partnerships into real community impact projects

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Peter Hostrawser and Alli Dahl sit down with Chris Brida, CTE Director in Portland Public Schools, to unpack a concept most education leaders do the work of… but rarely have language for: boundary spanning. Chris breaks down how CTE leaders sit between K–12, higher ed, workforce, nonprofit, and government systems, and why “partnerships” can’t just be guest speakers and career fairs if we’re serious about student opportunity.

Chris walks through six boundary spanning skill-sets that show up in high-impact CTE leadership: broker, translator, trust builder, convenor, buffer, and integrator—explaining how each one helps reduce friction between systems, protect educators from chaos, align stakeholder expectations, and build partnerships that actually produce shared value.

The conversation goes deep on a big shift: moving from partnership management to partnership design—starting with real problems, using data, and bringing the right mix of partners together to solve them. The episode lands with a powerful example: a multi-partner design lab initiative that puts Black engineering students at the center of a real civic redevelopment project—showing exactly how intentional systems-level collaboration can expand access, build relational capital, and create authentic learning that matters.

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