No studio this week. Indi Tatla and Alastair Barlow took a microphone round the Digital Accountancy Show at ExCeL London and stopped anyone who would talk to them, with Ryan Pearcy waiting at the end on The Loop stand.

Yogesh Patel opens with a phrase he had just heard on the main stage: the AI discount. If AI makes the work faster, how does a firm stop the saving going straight to the client as a lower fee? Indi then brings back the idea Dext pushed at its insider day, that the system of record does not have to be where the work happens. Alastair calls it the headless ledger, and Damon Anderson later tells us the AI-native ledger was the big story of the day, name-checking Digits, Light, Campfire, Rillet and DualEntry. He also gives the market a three to five year runway, because real firms have real people, real trust and HMRC to work with.

Paul Layte from Ascendant walks through four versions of the firm delivery model, ending with a question nobody was asking two years ago: do we need offshore at all, or can AI agents do this? Andrew Douthwaite from Alliotts, part of the Shaw Gibbs Group, talks about life after a private equity deal and what he would build with a war chest. Daniel Rock from SuiteFiles previews the new connect portals and the agentic chasing on the way, and Trent McLaren from Vinyl explains why the real gain from an AI note taker is the mental load it lifts.

Kate Hayward, Xero’s UK Managing Director, and Kendrick Hair from Fishbowl talk through a family-run yoghurt maker that has grown threefold in 18 months on Xero and Fishbowl. Kate brings the number of the day, two in five UK small businesses did not know if they were profitable last month, and news of a Xero and The Loop hackathon in November. Kendrick explains Fishbowl’s new accountant’s ledger.

Katie Hawking from TaxAssist comes off a women in accountancy panel with SilverFin and a line worth taking back to the office: be the women we want to walk behind. Ryan closes it out at The Loop stand, giving compliance four years before the way firms deliver it changes completely.

Also covered: James Howell and Dan Cockerton on putting on the show and taking it to the US and Barcelona, Phil Hobden on what Sage has been asked about Intacct and MTD, a new firm owner five months into practice, Lisa Marshall flying in from Canada and discovering FreeAgent, and why they walked straight past John Toon.

Chapters

00:00 Intro, live from the Digital Accountancy Show

01:33 Employment Hero

02:10 Yogesh Patel on the AI discount

04:50 First time at the show

06:40 Why come to DAS, and skipping John Toon

07:47 James Howell on building the show

10:16 Dext and the headless ledger

12:21 £4m in fees from LinkedIn

15:57 People and agents in one org chart

18:36 Andrew Douthwaite on PE and a war chest

24:31 SuiteFiles and agentic chasing

26:06 What Baker Tilly does differently with AI

30:56 Phil Hobden at Sage

32:56 Five months into a new practice

35:56 Fractional CFO or outsourced finance function

38:06 Dan Cockerton on DAS in the US and Barcelona

42:56 Trent McLaren, Vinyl and the mental load

45:26 Paul Layte: do we need offshore at all?

48:26 Katie Hawking: be the women we want to walk behind

52:16 Damon Anderson and the AI-native ledger

55:09 Joiin

56:16 Xero and Fishbowl: two in five didn’t know

66:40 Lisa Marshall, all the way from Canada

69:35 Ryan Pearcy: plan now or have it thrust upon you

73:25 Outro

Billie McLoughlin, Eriona Bajrakurtaj and John Toon go a little AI heavy this week, with an MCP for AML checks, a decision-making model from TypeSafe and a new AI-native ledger from Briefcase, plus a chat with its co-founder Reuben Steenkamp.

Billie welcomes Sage's free Period Review for MTD for Income Tax, and likes that Sage hasn't sold it as AI, but wishes it worked for clients on Xero, QuickBooks and FreeAgent too. Eriona expects to be asking clients the same questions every quarter regardless. John reckons the profession can be too precise, and Eriona shares the HMRC enquiry that came down to one missing £26 receipt.

Intuit has cut 17% of its workforce while revenue grew 14% and QuickBooks Online Accounting grew 23%. Eriona asks where that leaves UK accountants now the accountants' council has gone. John questions how much revenue really comes through the accounting channel, and Billie thinks price rises explain a lot of the growth.

DNA Payments has partnered with iwoca so merchants can borrow £1,000 to £1m from the DNA app. John asks whether borrowing to cover running costs is ever wise, Eriona talks business rates and 15% interest, and Billie wonders how many small businesses keep their books up to date enough for live-data lending.

Eriona welcomes Sodium's FuseSign integration and wants one core system running the work. Billie explains MCP through Firmcheck's launch alongside its FYI and Sodium integrations, and asks whether firms will let AI change AML records. Eriona wonders what happens to software brands nobody logs into, and John worries about being spread too thin.

John introduces TypeSafe's Jev, and Eriona asks how you tell a regulator "the AI did that". John then walks through Briefcase Ledger, compares it with Xero, QuickBooks and FreeAgent, and talks to Reuben Steenkamp about the launch at the Digital Accountancy Show.

Also covered: Vinyl launches calendar booking, Joiin raises €1.5m of non-dilutive growth capital from Gilion, and Caseware brings Verity agents to Excel and client requests, along with John's Angry Audit Manager.

00:00 Intro

01:12 Fishbowl

02:19 Sage Period Review for MTD

13:11 Intuit cuts 17% while revenue grows

20:42 DNA Payments and iwoca Flexi Loans

26:35 Sodium integrates FuseSign

28:16 Firmcheck launches an MCP

37:52 TypeSafe launches Jev

42:57 Briefcase launches Briefcase Ledger

53:27 Vinyl launches calendar booking

56:48 Joiin raises €1.5m

1:01:10 Caseware Verity agents for audit

1:06:43 Outro

Eriona Bajrakurtaj, Alastair Barlow and John Toon go through the accounting tech week, and most of it comes back to the same question: is the thing being announced the thing that actually works?

The headline everyone shared was OpenAI buying accounting firms. It has not. OpenAI took an equity position in Thrive Holdings back in December, Thrive owns Current, the roll-up formerly called Crete Professionals Alliance, and OpenAI engineers go into those firms in exchange for more equity and access to the data. Alastair breaks the structure down and lands on how circular it is. What matters more than the deal is the taxonomy forming around it, with roll-ups buying legacy firms, platforms buying and re-tooling them, and AI-native challengers like Amsterdam's Neno starting from nothing.

Then the other end of the telescope. An accountant proofread a set of accounts produced in Xero Tax and posted what he found, including the wrong directors on the cover page and an inappropriate section 444 disclosure, in the same week Xerocon Denver was selling agentic workflows. Eriona is an advocate for AI in accounting and still lands on the obvious point, that an assistant saving you twenty minutes is worth nothing if you spend twenty minutes checking its output. John then admits Xero Tax double-counted the corporation tax on his own company, and blames his own chart of accounts rather than the software.

On the compliance side, Active have released accounts production, taking a firm from trial balance to a filed set of accounts inside one platform, with Companies House filing built in. John has been tracking it for the best part of a year and reads it as Active going at Silverfin directly. Workiro released Workflows in the same week, which routes every step of a job to the right person with an AI summary at each hand-off, and Eriona asks the fair question of why a practice management system cannot already do that.

The episode ends on Sodium and TaxCalc arguing publicly about an encrypted form, and underneath it a bigger question about who owns accounting data. Alastair's answer is the strongest few minutes on the pod. A vendor making it hard to move your clients' data has not built a moat, it has built friction, and the decision to use your own historic client data sits between you and your client.

Also covered: OpenAI CFO Sarah Friar's target of a zero-day close, and why John thinks the phrase is too ambiguous to mean anything. Prosaic, an AI-native cash-based ledger out of New Zealand now past fifty firms. The Xero Global App Awards, won globally by Gojee and Ignition, with ApprovalMax taking the UK and SuiteFiles the US practice award. Updates to Xero's Auto Bank Reconciliation and what "confident" is actually doing in that sentence. WorkGuru's rebuilt workflows. And Repodo in Copenhagen raising the largest pre-seed Denmark has recorded to launch an AI-native audit firm.

00:00 Intro 04:42 The zero-day close 14:25 Prosaic rethinks the ledger 26:27 Xero App Awards 2026 37:56 Somebody proofread Xero Tax 44:42 How JAX decides 54:51 Workiro releases Workflows 57:22 Trial balance to Companies House 1:00:54 OpenAI has not bought a firm 1:13:31 Who owns the data 1:23:47 Outro