In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about the wonder of ambiguity, starting from observing a Spanish Town Square in a power cut, all the way to how we can develop the ability to find our way in the dark when we aren't feeling sure at all.

So much of life is navigated in ambiguity. So together, we chat about how we can grow to not despise it, but welcome it and see it all as a creative invitation.

We realize once more, the anchor of vision and see the truth that we don't need to know everything to take the next step.

We just need to know enough and we also need enough foolishness to believe that we can do what needs to be done.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this second part of 'Beyond the Barricades', Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about standing with courage in the face of fear as we speak and stand up for justice, compassion, and inclusion.

Together, we explore how power can be so enticing for all of us. And we remind ourselves that we must speak out even when our voice is shaken, shaking, and even when we think we might lose it all.

Responding to the invitation to embrace fear as we seek to live love out loud. In the end, we see that courage is a muscle we can always strengthen. Acting justly, loving mercy and walking humbly.

This is the path we are invited to take, and this is how we will all find our voice.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about not waiting for the cavalry, but instead realising we are the ones we've been waiting for.

We explore how change comes from a dedicated small band of people who stand up and work for a world they can see beyond the barricades. We think through why we believe everyone else is responsible rather than us, which is actually a huge deception.

And we recognise that we all have agency and there always exists the invitation to participate in creating change. We hope this episode gives you the courage to shift, move and pivot so that we can all, all move beyond the barricades together.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.