In this episode, SK dives into the controversy surrounding Netflix’s The Manhattan Alien Abduction, the docuseries based on the research and book, Witnessed: The True Story of the Brooklyn Bridge UFO Abductions by Budd Hopkins.

SK is joined by experiencer and author Debra Jordan-Kauble, who shares her firsthand perspective on the key figures in the documentary - Carol Rainey, Budd Hopkins and Linda Napolitano.

Deb highlights Hopkins’ investigative work — and why she believes the documentary misrepresented both Hopkins and Linda Napolitano (formerly Linda Cortile).

Debra recounts her own 1983 abduction experience, including startling physical evidence: an 8-foot circular ground mark that repelled water, altered snow patterns, and triggered Geiger counter readings.

She describes the extensive 2.5-year investigation conducted by Hopkins for his book, Intruders (and eventually a CBS miniseries) — including soil testing, medical exams, psychological evaluations, and witness interviews. Deb clarifies how hypnotic regression was used carefully to sharpen existing memories, not create new ones.

The conversation also explores:

• The ethics of hypnosis in abduction research
• Media portrayal vs. firsthand testimony
• Physical trace evidence in UFO cases
• Psychic abilities emerging after contact experiences
• Personal growth through trauma
• Debra’s post-death communication experience with Hopkins

Was the Netflix series balanced — or did it “do Linda dirty,” as Debra suggests?

Music: “Wisdom in the Sun” by Kevin MacLeod

You can find Deb’s books and upcoming events at debshome.com

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