David Green built Hobby Lobby from a single picture-frame shop into one of the largest privately held retailers in the country—and structured it so that no member of his family owns a share of it. On his 84th birthday, he sits down with Robin John and legacy author Bill High to talk about the calling he almost missed, the fight he took to the Supreme Court, and the difference between a good life and a great one.

This conversation covers David's early discomfort with being "just a retailer" in a family of pastors, the pivotal $30,000 gift that reframed his sense of calling, and two separate multimillion-dollar decisions to walk away from alcohol profits rather than compromise. Robin and David dig into the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court case and the $1.3 million-a-day fine David was willing to risk, then Bill High joins to unpack the ideas behind their new book, The Legacy Life—building for generations instead of building to sell. The episode closes with David reflecting on his own parents' quiet faithfulness and what it means to leave a heritage instead of an inheritance.

Whether you're leading a company, managing a portfolio, or thinking about what you'll pass down, this episode makes the case that eternity—not profit—is the real measuring stick. Watch the full episode on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcasts.