We were delighted to welcome our very good friend, Esther Vis, to join us as our special guest In this episode of Conversations With A Couple Of Crones.

Esther, like us, has a deep passion for the Gene Keys. She is a Gene Keys Guide, and has travelled her Golden Path several times. Also like us, she is currently travelling the Sage’s journey. Esther has a passion and a gift for working with the Dream Arc, and that’s what we talk about in this episode.

Meghan set us a task … to consult the Dream Arc Oracle on a question or issue we are currently contemplating. We got two Toads and a Parrot … but who got what, and what messages did these creatures have for us?! You’ll have to listen to find out!

Lizzie and I are so delighted to have our Guide, Hayley Curtis, as a guest on this episode. It is difficult to find a time that all three of us can gather together live, as we live on different continents! But Hayley stayed up late and I got up early and we recorded this episode all about finding your soul family.

Because that is what a fractal line is, your soul family. Come along with three best friends as we talk about the deep relationships we've formed on a soul level and the magic of fractals.

Instead of beginning with our usual question … “Where am I now?” … we realised that this Purpose sphere we’ve been diving into for the last month has been so HUGE for us both, we really needed to dedicate this entire episode to asking, “Where are we NOW?!!”, and to discussing what it’s like to be women with purpose.

In this month of working with our Purpose Gene Keys, we have experienced breakthroughs (and breakdowns!); we’ve had insights and deeper understanding about ourselves than we have ever had. We have experienced, and continue to experience, so much change, that this Purpose sphere deserves its own episode! It is, after all, who we are here to be!

Meghan’s Purpose Gene Key is 37.2; Lizzie’s is 48.3. Join us for Season 2 Episode 7 of Conversations With A Couple Of Crones.

In Season 2, Episode 6 we begin with our grounding check-in question: “Where am I now?”—a simple prompt that brings us into presence and helps us notice how inner shifts are showing up in our outer lives. From creativity, journaling, and deep inner work, to caring for the body with a wider set of “tools,” this opening sets the tone for a heartfelt, laugh-filled conversation.

We then dive into the Purpose Sphere in the Sage’s Journey, exploring our new Sage Words—Mildness (Meghan Gene Key 37.2) and Affinity (Lizzie Gene Key 48.3) —and why they feel so uncannily perfect. Along the way, we share a powerful “default setting” realization: moving from the Shadow of Inadequacy into the Gift of Resourcefulness, and what that shift can change in the way we meet challenges. We wrap up, as always, with a touch of whimsy.

• A Cauldron of Crones
• GENE KEYS UNLEASHED with Hayley Curtis
• Golden Path Retreat - Gene Keys

Our question, “Where am I now?” is answered by sharing personal updates, from upcoming seaside time in Devon to diving deep into the Radiance Gene Key through the Sage’s Golden Path Retreat and embracing Line 3 energy. From there, we explore a community question about how our relationship with contemplating the Shadow has evolved as the work becomes more embodied, including the reminder that the Shadow holds the Gift and isn’t something to fear or “fix.” The conversation then opens into the week’s wider theme of Acceptance—especially as a daily practice—touching on accepting our bodies, circumstances, tiredness, and all parts of ourselves, before we wrap up with our whimsical end-of-episode questions.

• A Cauldron of Crones
• GENE KEYS UNLEASHED with Hayley Curtis
• Golden Path Retreat - Gene Keys

In this episode, Meghan and Lizzie open by sharing fresh reflections after moving into the Radiance sphere in the Sage’s Golden Path retreat—along with Meghan’s exciting Gene Keys Unleashed offering, Playful Pondering, which blends art journaling with inner‑work inquiry. From there, the conversation deepens into “Embracing Our Cronehood”: a heartfelt, empowering look at the rite of passage from Mother years into the Crone chapter, redefining crone as a crowned/haloed state of clarity and insight. Together they explore body image and aging (wrinkles, curves, and all), push back on harmful extreme‑thinness ideals, and reflect on how inner work supports authenticity, stronger boundaries, creativity, intuition, and the kind of friendship and self‑trust that can flourish later in life.

• Golden Path Retreat - Gene Keys
• A Cauldron of Crones
• GENE KEYS UNLEASHED with Hayley Curtis

Lizzie and Meghan welcome their first special guest, Samantha Lee Vigliotti, to explore Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) and how she weaves it with the Gene Keys. Samantha shares what EFT is (and why it’s more than simply tapping), how it supports nervous-system regulation and somatic awareness, and the work she’s creating inside Gene Keys Unleashed—guided EFT audios aligned to each current “Pulse” Gene Key. The conversation then deepens through Gene Key 52 (Shadow: Stress; Gift: Restraint; Siddhi: Stillness), reflecting on how restraint and tapping can help shift from mental overactivity into embodied stillness; Gene Key 49 is also brought in to add further nuance. The episode closes with an invitation to explore tapping as part of an inner-work practice and to connect with Samantha’s resources for deeper support.

• A Cauldron of Crones
• GENE KEYS UNLEASHED with Hayley Curtis
• EFT with Samantha Lee

In this episode, Lizzie and Meghan share where they are right now on their inner journeys as they begin the Sage’s Journey (a Gene Keys Golden Path retreat with Richard Rudd and the Gene Keys team). They explore the idea of moving in a spiral—returning to beginnings while going deeper—then reflect on the personal words and sutras that capture their current themes: Meghan resonates with “Integration,” including the practice of bringing one’s “lost children” home within the soul, while Lizzie claims “Interiority” as a gift for going inward and doing sustained inner work. The conversation widens into Richard Rudd’s framing of “genius” as a Gift-frequency opening of the heart that unleashes creative energy. The crones close with joyful updates on creative up-leveling (digital art and book writing) and a set of playful, whimsical questions.

• Golden Path Retreat - Gene Keys
• A Cauldron of Crones
• GENE KEYS UNLEASHED with Hayley Curtis