I sit with Sarah Wilson to talk about collapse, hope, and what it means to come home to ourselves in a world that's falling apart. We explore her new book I Eat the Stars, the "metacrisis" of everything unravelling at once, and why letting go of hope can bring a deep and unexpected relief. Sarah shares why she believes every complex civilisation eventually collapses under its own weight, how we've behaved like a culture of teenagers in need of growing up, and the wisdom history offers — from the strange happiness of the London Blitz to the ways humans have danced their way through every terror. This conversation moves through perimenopause, psychedelics, and the personal reckoning beneath the collective one, landing on the question that matters most: not what should we do, but who are you going to be?

Book: I Eat the Stars — https://www.sarahwilson.com/i-eat-the-stars

Website: https://www.sarahwilson.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_sarahwilson_/

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