We are taking a season break, but wanted to share this bonus episode with Richard Ostler from the Listen, Learn, & Love Podcast.

Richard’s podcast is all about amplifying queer and other marginalized voices in the LDS community, and telling their stories. We really enjoyed our time with him, and hope that you will enjoy this interview.

The video version is a little easier to listen to, as the tracks are better aligned. You can find that on the Listen, Learn & Love Podcast Youtube page, or at this link:https://youtu.be/YIKsjXnlQIc?si=9jigff_L9jp7Q3dL

We will be back in October with more Coffee & Cocoa!

For the past three months, Kimberly and Kari have been tossing ideas back and forth about the good and bad in the LDS Church. This week, Kimberly makes her case for why Kari should leave.

She covers the historical and theological reasons she finds the church untrue, the problems with prophetic authority and the lack of diversity in leadership, and why she believes the church can sometimes get in the way of living a genuinely Christ-like life. Kari responds with where she's landed after years of wrestling. Not certainty, but compassion. Not perfection, but people stumbling toward the light.

They end this season where they began, with respect for each other’s choices, and lots of love for each other.

For the last two episodes of the season, Kari and Kimberly are going to try to convince each other why they should switch teams. This week, Kari presents her case for why Kimberly should come back to the LDS church. She shares why she thinks it would benefit her, what she misses about having her kids in the church, and why she thinks that the church would be better if Kimberly were still a part of it.

Will Kimberly change her mind and come back? You will have to listen to find out.