Chris introduces us to one of her favorite teachers, Chip Conley, who is the founder of the Modern Elder Academy (MEA). Chip has spent decades thinking about what helps people grow, adapt, and live with greater wisdom.

In this conversation, Michelle talks with Chip about staying curious as we age, the dance between soul and ego, turning experience into wisdom through self-reflection, knowing when resilience needs to become adaptability, and examining our need to be the hero.

Chip also reflects on mortality, purpose, "holy urgency," and the shift from carrying the weight of the world to noticing more of its wonder.

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