In todays episode of Life's Tough, Explorers Are Tougher Richard Wiese sits down with Nigerian conservation scientist Charles Emogor, to explore why pangolins have become the world's most trafficked mammal and what it actually takes to protect them.

Charles shares his journey from growing up in southeastern Nigeria to becoming one of the leading voices in pangolin conservation. Along the way, he explains why successful conservation is far more complicated than simply telling people to stop hunting wildlife. Through science, community partnerships, education, and local leadership, Charles is building a model that could reshape conservation efforts across Africa.

This conversation explores wildlife, psychology, leadership, storytelling, and why lasting change always starts with understanding people first.

Photograph by Omini Bassey (ngs6); Edet Etim (ngs7-8) and Joel Porter/Alex Moore (other photos)

This is Life's Tough, Explorers Are Tougher, with your host, Richard Weiss. Scratch the surface of an explorer and you'll find an adventure and a great story. This show is about their tales.

This podcast is a proud supporter of the Explorers Club and the EC50 Initiative. 50 people changing the world that the world needs to know about. For more information, go to explorers.org.