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And so the fishbowl is your company. What do we have inside this fishbowl? So inside the fishbowl, you have, you have all the fish, obviously, you have the water, that's the culture, but you also have all of your systems, all of your processes. You have the zones of interaction. We call them the zones of excellence, but the zones of interaction with your clients, you have the front of the house, and you have the back of the house.

You're in a unique industry in that the front of the house interactions and type of people that you need, training and processes and systems differ in personality from the back of the house. You have two businesses under one roof. You have a sales organization and you have a logistics company, and that's rare that not many other industries have that you do, right? So the food and beverage, the hospitality, the travel, the experiential, you guys all have that, right? And not everyone does.

When I own my construction company, front of the house, one that important. Got the work done. Everyone was happy.

So we leaned a lot more around logistics. Wasn't as important. You're a sales organization.

People will give you a little bit of a break on the logistics, but in your business, you can't. They're too intertwined.

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Two Fish Under One Roof: Managing Different Personalities

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So you have two businesses under one roof that had varying personalities, and oh, by the way, just for an additional fun, there is a natural and adversarial relationship between those two parts of your business, right? So you've been to those meetings, right? Accounting, put the finance department in the room with the salespeople and have them give the lecture about the CRM.

Isn't that a fun one? Like, hey guys, you gotta fill out the CRM. You want us pushing paper and filling out fields, or you want us out there making deals? No, Dingleberry, I wanna get you paid, and it would be nice if you had them sign and date the contract. What, you're telling me I'm not getting paid? You're still not listening.

I'm just trying to get us paid here. Like, what happened? What's going on, no, you see what I mean? You've been to that meeting before, and you've been to the process versus the goal-oriented people. So there you are, you're doing your town hall, you're talking about the vision of the company, and you're sharing what's gonna happen over the next six months, one year, three years.

You're all pumped, and you're sharing that, and then someone's like, yeah, but how are we gonna do that? You're sharing the what, they're the how. And you're like, listen, what are you trying to be, a buzzkill? Like, no, but this is the same vision you've been telling us for the last three years. We've been trying to get you to implement some of it.

We haven't started the last set of bad ideas you had. You want us to start on the next set of bad ideas?

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Now, these muddy fish are great because they can think on their feet. They're really good at getting the job done. They're very creative problem solvers, and they're always in the moment. We love them for that. They tend to be the front of the house. They tend to be your business development people. They tend to be your salespeople. They tend to be your managers. They tend to be your owners. All right. You are faster-paced and outgoing. You are goal-driven. You are impatient.

You like getting things done, right? You don't want to hear about the process. That's boring. Honey, honey, honey, don't tell me about the pregnancy. Just show me the baby. Okay. You are often wrong, but you're never in doubt. Let me try that again. The muddy fish didn't think that was funny. Clean fish. You can laugh at this. Okay. They are often wrong, but they are never in doubt.

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We need muddy fish in our business. Interestingly enough, we don't need as many muddy fish as we do clean fish. Like for every muddy fish, you need a lot of clean fish, right? And I think you all know why, right? But muddy fish, what they're really good at is being the effective part of your business. They get stuff across the finish line.

Might not be pretty. They might scorch a lot of earth, but they get things across the finish line, right? You want proof of concept, give it to a muddy fish. They will make sure you get proof of concept. You want to see if a product can launch. You want to launch a new resort, a new location. You send your muddy fish in because they are good wartime employees.

They're good wartime practitioners. They are not peacetime practitioners. Okay? So we need our muddy fish. They are more effective.

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We have our clean fish. Clean fish, we love our clean fish. We would have nothing in our lives without clean fish because muddy fish will give us all these sometimes good ideas, sometimes not so good ideas, sometimes terrible ideas, and they will leave them with the clean fish and say, " Make it happen. And you do, right? So clean fish would rather do the wrong thing right than do the right thing and be accused of being wrong. You want me to do that again? All right. I'll go slow this time. I just had to see where we were at.

A clean fish would rather do the wrong thing right as opposed to doing the right thing and being accused of being wrong. What does that mean? That means they're going to take your crap-ass ideas and turn it into a process, a system, and launch it as best they can, or they're going to do the best they can with whatever they were given. They will turn your idea into a process.

They will duplicate it and make sure that all the trains show up on time.

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Years ago, I did personality assessments on an oil rig. This oil company had us analyze their two shifts. And I said, " What's the issue? And they said, I said, we can't figure it out. We have two incredibly different types of activities, and we can't figure out why it's happening.

They said, " Well, tell me about it. And they said, well, the day shift, the day shift is amazing. You can eat off the oil rig. It's spotless. We pass every time, as a matter of fact, every time we have an inspection, we tell them to come during the day. We pass every inspection.

It's awesome. But we're not producing any oil. Like, we're not hitting our goals at all.

I mean, it's just like we spend all day jam packing four hours worth of work in an eight-hour day. We can't figure it out why. And I said, all right, well, tell me about the night shift.

It goes on the night shift, unbelievable. The only reason we're making any money is that we're hitting our goals is because of the night shift. But we've had three oil spills.

They've lit the rig on fire twice. He goes, what's going on? So they had the clean fish working during the day, and they had the muddy fish who said, well, I can make some extra money by working the night shift, you know? And so all the muddy fish were working the evening shift and all the clean fish were working the day shift, right? So what we need is a blend of the two.

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Hi everyone, Carl Gould here with your #70secondCEO. Just a little over one minute investment every day for a lifetime of results.

So you have two parts to your business and two parts to your team. You have your effective part and your efficient part. They need to work together. And the way that you get them to work together is effective, always comes first. Always, always, always, always. Sorry, clean fish, you're gonna have to clean up a little bit of a mess, but there is a reason why when you flew here, the pilot does not put it on autopilot on the runway. In the beginning, if you put too many systems in place, it will hinder the growth of your company.

You have to be a little bit loose with it. You have to have a personality-driven team, not necessarily a process-driven team right away. And they need to be able to use their judgment, right? There are only two times when the pilot really has their hand on the wheel, and that's when they take off and when they land, right? Because those are the times when you have the plan as a guide, but it's not the Bible, right? Now we do need to really know our systems so we can be creatively problem-solving as much as possible.

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