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  • What is a "break" really?
    2026/07/21
    This week is audio only as I attempt to learn how to take a break. And by that I mean, I tried to actually take a break, but really just fell down some more rabbit holes to build out what I want the future to be. And then took some action. So really, I suppose, it wasn't a break at all. The break was just from posting videos. So audio only this week mostly because maybe that's the break that I needed without realizing it until I'm trying these words right now.Who else can relate to the benefit of slowing down only to realize that in those "breaks" and those "pauses," your brain actually just fills in all the space with inspiration and ideas and solutions to the problems that exist in our lives? Because that's what mine does. It's crazy how I spent so many years of my life checking boxes and looking at all the items on my to-do list that I've accomplished. I've made lists of all of the jobs I've had, places I've visited, places I've lived, goals I've accomplished...you name it, I've made a list and felt accomplished (or, if I didn't feel accomplished, then I made a goal to tackle so that I would).I worked through vacations, worked multiple jobs at one time, multi-tasked, resisted taking breaks, felt uncomfortable taking breaks, felt unproductive taking breaks. And now that I'm intentionally trying to take breaks, I find that I'm even more productive and prolific than I ever was before. How? Seriously. The logic seeking part of my brain wants to understand that. It honestly doesn't make full sense to me.Now I try to learn my lessons about listening to my body and my brain to take breaks when warranted. And then in those breaks, I end up writing, planning, and filling them up with even more ideas and plans than before. So out of this last "break" (if we can even call it that), comes the next step in the Capitalism for Good universe: Capitalism for Green. It's the next step to get me to my ultimate goal (put a pin in that for later) and is the chronicling of me putting into practice all of the things that I'm learning through the Capitalism for Good interview project. And by "chronicling" I mean really showing from step 1, from the very beginning, from idea to figuring out how to put the idea into action, and sharing what that's like.Does that bring up questions about what that means? Send them my way. I have lots of questions, too. Lots of them. But I also have determination to figure out the answers to my own questions, so why not throw yours in the mix also.Purchase the full Collection of Between the Interviews episodes (includes video option) here or at Patreon.com/CapitalismForGoodAll the ways to find, follow, & support the Capitalism for Good universe: Apple Podcasts (Bittersweet Paradox) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Good) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Green) | Bittersweet Paradox Patreon | Bittersweet Paradox Writing Club | Bluesky (Bittersweet Paradox) | Bluesky (Capitalism for Good) | Capitalism for Good’s Between the Interviews Podcast | Capitalism for Good Patreon | Capitalism for Green Patreon | Capitalism for Green: The Blog | Company Mentions | Email Bittersweet Paradox | Email Capitalism for Good | Email Capitalism for Green | Facebook | Instagram (Andrea & her 2026 Goal = No New Things, Only New Experiences) | Instagram (Bittersweet Paradox) | Instagram (Capitalism for Good) | Instagram (Capitalism for Green) | Spotify (Bittersweet Paradox) | Spotify (Capitalism for Good) | Spotify (Capitalism for Green) | The Store, by CFG | TikTok (Capitalism for Good) | YouTube (Capitalism for Good)Apple | Patreon | Email | Instagram | Spotify | TikTok | YouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    31 分
  • Communities of Businesses Supporting Businesses
    2026/07/20
    This concept of businesses supporting businesses is proof that we're stronger together.As I've neared the 1 quarter mark of the completion of the interview goal, I've been trying to find a concise way to put into words the proof that communities of businesses are stronger together. I've got a collection of 23 examples of people who have shared how it a work for them, but I struggle to sum up the "why" behind it.Logically, it makes sense to me that if a business partners with another, they'll cross-promote between each of their individual audiences and customer bases. That will expand their reach to a likely overlapping target demographic. There's also the theory behind the path of the dollar that if a company focuses on providing:A) a solution (ex: refill shops/sustainable brands/technology support), ORB) show love of their community (ex: Charlie Hustle, Series Six, STL STyLe)then, people in that community are likely to buy their products/services. Those purchases bring in revenue that, in part, pays the paychecks and health benefits of the neighbor that works at the company. Both pay taxes that, arguably, fix your roads and fund educators and support staff salaries. Those things are the investments into the future generations of your communities. It supports the value of your hope that you may have purchased as an investment into your family.This is the value of small and local business.Beyond that, if one of those companies (or, imagine, all of those companies...) chooses to partner with another local business (like Series Six & Charlie Hustle have done with local restaurants, nonprofits, and other local businesses), then they each get the benefit of that cross-promotion I mentioned earlier with potentially overlapping target demographics. It also serves as some free marketing for each of them. Especially for an apparel company where the t-shirt itself can serve as a walking advertisement for the apparel company as well as the partnering businesses (or maybe even sports team). That saves both companies money while also potentially increasing profits for both.This allows the company increased revenue to:re-invest in their internal community through increased employment, higher salaries, better benefits for employees...re-invest in their larger external community. This could be:a donation to a local charity (ex: children's hospital, crisis support, environmental or socially responsible efforts) that serves, protects, and/or improves your community.volunteer efforts as a company team with the gift of time.donation drive (ex: gift collection for the holiday season or item drive for a local domestic violence shelter)straight % profit share with local charity (ex: 3% of all proceeds go to [insert charity name].It also doesn't necessity have to be directly to a charity to give back to your community. Support can look a lot of different ways. For a previous rabbit hole about the inner-workings of how nonprofits operate & addressing common misperceptions, see the Making Sense of...Purchase the full Collection of Between the Interviews episodes (includes video option) here or at Patreon.com/CapitalismForGoodAll the ways to find, follow, & support the Capitalism for Good universe: Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Good) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Green) | Bittersweet Paradox Patreon | Bluesky (Bittersweet Paradox) | Bluesky (Capitalism for Good) | Capitalism for Good’s Between the Interviews Podcast | Capitalism for Good Patreon | Capitalism for Green Patreon | Capitalism for Green: The Blog | Company Mentions | Email Bittersweet Paradox | Email Capitalism for Good | Email Capitalism for Green | Facebook | Instagram (Andrea & her 2026 Goal = No New Things, Only New Experiences) | Instagram (Bittersweet Paradox) | Instagram (Capitalism for Good) | Instagram (Capitalism for Green) | Spotify (Bittersweet Paradox) | Spotify (Capitalism for Good) | Spotify (Capitalism for Green) | The Store, by CFG | TikTok | YouTubeApple | Patreon | Email | Instagram | Spotify | TikTok | YouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    9 分
  • Technically Complex
    2026/07/14
    This week's Thought I Can't Get Out of My Brain: Leveraging the tools we have for good.Much like the word "capitalism" or "business" or "money" can be a turnoff for some, I've found that "technology" and "AI" and "social media" or "the internet" can be a turn off as well.I get it. I also have been known to fall into that same bucket as well. I can also be somewhat of a luddite who resists screens, was a proud minimally active social media user and the kind of person who takes pride in not knowing really what ChatGPT is while preferring tangible books over e-readers....did I lose the other half of you when I described myself in a little bit of a holier-than-thou way? Yeah, me too. I can annoy myself sometimes with how quickly I can get on a soapbox and how comfortable I can be standing on one.So, when someone opportunities arose to drive into tech and AI in terms of sustainability efforts, I was weary to say the least. With limited experience, not all positive plus the murmurings of headlines of concerns about data privacy and environmental impacts of data centers powering AI, I was ready to decline the opportunity with a proud stance of "Sorry. Not the right fit."But in my quest to embrace my slow burn side and foster my inner life long learner, I decided to leverage my strengths. I asked a lot of questions. Like, a lot. I read a lot. I observed. I dabbled. I listened. I tried to absorb enough information to feel relatively competent asking some tough questions. I armed myself with knowledge.Then, I ultimately did decide to seize the opportunity to talk tot some of these subject matter expert leaders to have some more in-depth, some philosophical, and some transparent conversations that address some existing concerns, but also highlight the potential to use some of this technology for good....much like how I hijacked "capitalism" and "business" topics to leverage those for positive impacts in this project.I'm not about to, by myself, address or clear up any of those mainstream AI or tech concerns, because I'm still at a junior level of my understanding, but I will shine a spotlight on those I perceive as having good intentions and how have put in the time and effort to hone their skills well beyond what I could ever hope t you. You'll hear from some of those leaders in the Capitalism for Good interviews.It's probably no surprise here that my "what I'm reading/listening to/watching/learning" section here is generally focused on diving into the things we each know little about. it's not a singular recommendation, but an encouragement to leverage the resources, especially the people who are subject matter experts, you have in your life in order to learn more and better understand a topic.As my good friend, Melanie, likes to say, "let experts be experts."Alright. That's enough. Let's go leave this place better than we found it.Purchase the full Collection of Between the Interviews episodes (includes video option) here or at Patreon.com/CapitalismForGoodAll the ways to find, follow, & support the Capitalism for Good universe: Apple Podcasts (Bittersweet Paradox) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Good) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Green) | Bittersweet Paradox Patreon | Bittersweet Paradox Writing Club | Bluesky (Bittersweet Paradox) | Bluesky (Capitalism for Good) | Capitalism for Good’s Between the Interviews Podcast | Capitalism for Good Patreon | Capitalism for Green Patreon | Capitalism for Green: The Blog | Company Mentions | Email Bittersweet Paradox | Email Capitalism for Good | Email Capitalism for Green | Facebook | Instagram (Andrea & her 2026 Goal = No New Things, Only New Experiences) | Instagram (Bittersweet Paradox) | Instagram (Capitalism for Good) | Instagram (Capitalism for Green) | Spotify (Bittersweet Paradox) | Spotify (Capitalism for Good) | Spotify (Capitalism for Green) | The Store, by CFG | TikTok (Capitalism for Good) | YouTube (Capitalism for Good)Apple | Patreon | Email | Instagram | Spotify | TikTok | YouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    16 分
  • Shifting Thought Process
    2026/07/13
    THANK YOU for your interest, support, and interaction as we shine a spotlight on those that are using their business to make a positive impact on their internal & external communities. Please, spread the word. Share the love. And support these fine folks that are pushing the envelop in the greatest of ways.And thank you for sticking with me here (or joining, if this is your first time with the Capitalism for Good project), as I evolve, grow, and learn in real time here out in the open. With 23 (out of 100!) interviews now completed, this project has been the vehicle to gather so much information and wisdom. Naturally, that means that I've shifted the way I approach the project. In a really good way.When I started this project to interview 100 business leaders making a positive impact, I was driven primarily to find the rare business leader that isn't fueled by greed, self-promotion, wasteful consumerism, you name it, at the expense of taking advantage of their employees and customers. I saw unethical decision making being driven solely by chasing profits. I saw so much harm. And I was determined to change it. I wanted to take down that culture through revolution. Can you tell I was burnt out and frustrated to the point of being so tunnel-visioned that I could only really see the negative? And also maybe I was being a little (a lot) dramatic?The good news is that my vantage point leads to a much more positive approach these days. I have all 23 of the folks I've interviewed for the Capitalism for Good project to thank for that. It turns out that there are so many people out there that are doing really great things. Like, so many. An overwhelmingly inspiring amount. And each one of them is doing things in their own way and putting their own spin on it. There are these communities that they've built that are networks of companies and loyal customers sharing knowledge, problem-solving, establishing non-profits, putting on festivals, celebrating talents, and everything that makes you feel good about the state of the world.I'm not sure if was my algorithm, my negative thought process spiral of a mentality, or a combination of both plus some other factors, but I didn't hear how many people where actively doing the work well before I thought of the phase "Capitalism for Good." They were already living it. In fact, there were countless people in the generations before us that were already living it. And there will continue to be countless more in the coming generations that will keep up the hard work of combating the loud voices of those that are only in it for themselves, regardless of the toll that it takes on the rest of the global community. And for that, I'm grateful. I'm grateful to be welcomed in the existing communities lifting one another up and thankful for those that have taken the time out of their lives to let me pepper them with questions. I'm proud to be able to shine a spotlight on them. I'm happy to talk about them to anyone that will listen. I'm deeply appreciative for everything that I've learned along the way. And I'm so excited for all of the folks that I'll meet in the future that will continue to fuel my fire of positivity here.Thank you for sticking with me through the dark periods that fueled the start and thank you for helping me find the light. Together, we can build better community...Purchase the full Collection of Between the Interviews episodes (includes video option) here or at Patreon.com/CapitalismForGoodAll the ways to find, follow, & support the Capitalism for Good universe: Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Good) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Green) | Bittersweet Paradox Patreon | Bluesky | Capitalism for Good Patreon | Capitalism for Green Patreon | Company Mentions | Email | Facebook | Instagram (Bittersweet Paradox) | Instagram (Capitalism for Good) | Instagram (Capitalism for Green) | Spotify (Capitalism for Good) | Spotify (Capitalism for Green) | The Store, by CFG | TikTok | YouTubeApple | Patreon | Email | Instagram | Spotify | TikTok | YouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    32 分
  • Reverse, Reverse
    2026/07/07
    I did it. I finally finished Phil Knight's memoir, Shoe Dog, about his experience creating Nike. It's not uncommon for me to take several months (or years for some books, if I'm being honest) to finish a book. I'm often flipping between 5 or so all from pretty different genres. Some I fly through and I take my time with others. Without a deadline, I can savor or devour a book depending on what feels right at the time.Shoe Dog has been with me for a good part of 2025. Veronica Hernandez and I talked about it way back in Interview #4 when I interviewed her back in April.I got a particular spark of inspiration almost at the very end when he writes about encouraging young people to "seek a calling" instead of just a job. That hit me both as something that's been sticking out to me as I interview folks for Capitalism for Good as well as personally as I reflect on changes I, myself, have made in the last few years to build a career that better fits my life. It seems to be guiding people to fulfillment. Purpose. Meaning.I'm often looking for the themes and through lines that separate some of these leaders I'm interviewing from the perception that frustrated s os much that I started this project to prove that there is a different and more beneficially impactful way tot think about how we make and spend our dollars.When I've been frustrated or opposed to the decisions of my company's leadership or didn't understand the logic behind what I was being asked to do at work, I often heard a similar phrase "it's just a job" or "just do you job." Similarly, if I didn't agree with a way that. company was donating money to a current administration to keep them in good light or if I didn't think they were doing gn enough to combat climate change or plastic waste build up, I'd often here, "that's just business." It's not dissimilar to, "it's not personal,. It's just business." And if I'm being honest, I get it.I was never really the employee that appreciated team-building efforts or happy hours or forced social time. Often, the events popped up in jobs where I felt a lot of deadline pressure, stress from both above & from clients, and was already driven to work long hours to keep up in the way that I wanted to advance and "succeed." I'd say, "don't take time away from normal work hours to thank me for doing my job. Give me more support, money, or time back in my personal life."The boundaries between work and perusal life needed to be more clear & firm to be in order to be worthwhile in my brain. I felt that it was important to establish these boundaries so clearly because I needed to separate from the stress that didn't agree with me. Or that I didn't agree with. So, in order to protect my peace & sanity, the boundary needed to be clear and the clash felt big when my work and personal life were competing or conflicting.In situations like Phil is describing, and the work environment that a lot of our leaders culture, they clash between the internal personal values and the external work values driven by someone whose values may or may not line up with yours in a complimentary way don't feel as different. It's not an earth shatteringly novel idea, but the practice and prioritization of finding a work situation that aligns so well with your values doesn't always come easy. For some, the impact and the trade of...Purchase the full Collection of Between the Interviews episodes (includes video option) here or at Patreon.com/CapitalismForGoodAll the ways to find, follow, & support the Capitalism for Good universe: Apple Podcasts (Bittersweet Paradox) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Good) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Green) | Bittersweet Paradox Patreon | Bluesky | Capitalism for Good Patreon | Capitalism for Green Patreon | Company Mentions | Email | Facebook | Instagram | Spotify (Bittersweet Paradox) | Spotify (Capitalism for Good) | Spotify (Capitalism for Green) | The Store, by CFG | TikTok (Capitalism for Good) | YouTubeApple | Patreon | Email | Instagram | Spotify | TikTok | YouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    18 分
  • The Power of the People
    2026/07/06
    It’s been so interesting to listen to all these leaders speak. I just wrapped up Interview #17 about a half hour ago. And much like the 16 before her, Sami talks about the people that made a profound impact on her and her ability to be where she is now. The people that keep a company running on a daily basis seems to be a prominent theme thus far in the interviews with business leaders. It’s obvious really, that without employees to keep things running, a business can’t function. If we dig a little deeper though, it seems to be more than just bodies in seat filling roles. It’s truly valuing the employees that make up a team and leveraging the skills and talents of the people in a way that’s fulfilling for all. Shannon said - if you need something, just ask. And talked about Lindsey is in business with her sister and has her to lean on. As do Jeff & Randy of STL Style. Whitney started a business with her best friend. I lean on those in my circle all the time. Sami & Greg talk about partnering with charities and giving back to communities through their apparel companies. Keith owns a company based on only selling products made by the people in his community.Marissa talks about the importance of the local farmers they get their food from and how supporting people in rural cities does wonders for their local communities. Kyle, Emma, Kate all founded companies that are dedicated to improving the global community.Whitney gave a million shout outs including at least one that we’ll hear from in the future. Wade name dropped his employees and joked about how they’re nicer and more loved than he is. Veronica talked about when she meets with people about advertising, she takes the time to understand them and their goals. In fact, everything she’s doing and learning seems to be led by uplifting the people. Connor built his whole expansive career in so many different fields, including I think more that he didn’t even mention, on connecting with other people and working hard to learn more. Josh puts people and what’s right before business. Cathy has pivoted to focusing her business on laughter wellness, which I attended today and can truly vouch for how great of a community she’s building there. It’s so heartwarming. It’s easy to get a little tunnel vision sometimes, but it’s so important to be connected to the people. Take the time to prioritize your people. Whether you are in business or a customer of business. Consider the people. Need help? Reach out to your people. What I’m reading: Slow Time Between the Stars - John Scalzi'sPurchase the full Collection of Between the Interviews episodes (includes video option) here or at Patreon.com/CapitalismForGoodAll the ways to find, follow, & support the Capitalism for Good universe: Apple Podcasts (Bittersweet Paradox) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Good) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Green) | Bittersweet Paradox Patreon | Bittersweet Paradox Writing Club | Bluesky (Bittersweet Paradox) | Bluesky (Capitalism for Good) | Capitalism for Good’s Between the Interviews Podcast | Capitalism for Good Patreon | Capitalism for Green Patreon | Capitalism for Green: The Blog | Company Mentions | Email Bittersweet Paradox | Email Capitalism for Good | Email Capitalism for Green | Facebook | Instagram (Andrea & her 2026 Goal = No New Things, Only New Experiences) | Instagram (Bittersweet Paradox) | Instagram (Capitalism for Good) | Instagram (Capitalism for Green) | Spotify (Bittersweet Paradox) | Spotify (Capitalism for Good) | Spotify (Capitalism for Green) | The Store, by CFG | TikTok (Capitalism for Good) | YouTube (Capitalism for Good)Apple | Patreon | Email | Instagram | Spotify | TikTok | YouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    33 分
  • Logistics Scmigistics
    2026/06/30
    This week is another true “behind the scenes” and “what goes on while I attempt to make, publish, and improve this project.”I’ve learned SO much recently. Have I mentioned that I am not naturally gifted in the graphic design, artistic, visual field? This is newwwwwww territory to me and I’m well aware that it shows. I’ve got some big dreams about handing some of these things over to a subject matter expert at some point. For now, we’re all stuck with me though. There’s also a lot that I still don’t know much about. Like YouTube thumbnails. Does it undermine my credibility to say out loud that I only very recently learned what that word means? …oh well. It’s the truth. So obviously I haven’t mastered the art and value of it. But I’m looking and learning and absorbing. More to come there. I’m testing out some things, like a newsletter. I just sent out my first one for the entire CFG umbrella. That reminds me, do you know that the Capitalism for Good project is produced under the umbrella of my company, CFG? It’s a community-based consulting company helping provide some guidance, analysis, strategic planning, execution, and promotion for community based initiatives. Want to join the email list for the next one I send out? Join the email list here. I digress. I leaned on a skill that I do feel competent in and wrote up a newsletter with all the new things that are going on in the company (hint hint: Bittersweet Paradox). Long story short: I’m working on continuing to evolve and learn more, hopefully for the better. You tell me. Seriously, you tell me. I’d really love to hear from you. What I’m listening to: Baseball on the radio. I’m really leaning into my inner grandparent with my baseball vibes here. Picture this: I’m sitting on a lawn chair in the driveway listening to baseball on the radio. No real hurry. Just enjoying being outside and vaguely listening to a game with some really talented players that are accomplishing things that I could only ever dream of. That seems like the good life. Most of the time, I’m actually just listening to baseball on the radio playing through my iPhone while I furiously type a zillion emails and google my heart out. But now you know where I’d rather be. Purchase the full Collection of Between the Interviews episodes (includes video option) here or at Patreon.com/CapitalismForGoodAll the ways to find, follow, & support the Capitalism for Good universe: Apple Podcasts (Bittersweet Paradox) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Good) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Green) | Bittersweet Paradox Patreon | Bittersweet Paradox Writing Club | Bluesky (Bittersweet Paradox) | Bluesky (Capitalism for Good) | Capitalism for Good’s Between the Interviews Podcast | Capitalism for Good Patreon | Capitalism for Green Patreon | Capitalism for Green: The Blog | Company Mentions | Email Bittersweet Paradox | Email Capitalism for Good | Email Capitalism for Green | Facebook | Instagram (Andrea & her 2026 Goal = No New Things, Only New Experiences) | Instagram (Bittersweet Paradox) | Instagram (Capitalism for Good) | Instagram (Capitalism for Green) | Spotify (Bittersweet Paradox) | Spotify (Capitalism for Good) | Spotify (Capitalism for Green) | The Store, by CFG | TikTok (Capitalism for Good) | YouTube (Capitalism for Good)Apple | Patreon | Email | Instagram | Spotify | TikTok | YouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    29 分
  • Curating Community
    2026/06/29
    This is my reflection after Kate. There are so many things that stuck out to me. Namely: This idea of taking control over your life and doing things your own way to aid in happiness. It was an interesting perspective when talking to her that she had this take on curating your community. She said that she was happy with where the company and her personal life was now, so she didn’t have these big lofty goals to scale. Her perspective on being content and satisfied with what you’ve built and created in your own life and your own space. I relate to her so much when she talks about being lucky to be surrounded by some really great women and people. That can have a profound impact on the way in which you live your life. In the same way, we’re also kind of curating our own lives by choosing those that we’re keep close to us. I always think about how amazing it is that I’ve been surrounded by so many wonderful people that I’ve collected throughout all these stages of my life. What I’m listening to: Armchair Expert with a friend. It’s a great natural way to talk through the things in our lives through the vehicle of this shared interest of a podcast. Shout out Ashley for beingPurchase the full Collection of Between the Interviews episodes (includes video option) here or at Patreon.com/CapitalismForGoodAll the ways to find, follow, & support the Capitalism for Good universe: Apple Podcasts (Bittersweet Paradox) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Good) | Apple Podcasts (Capitalism for Green) | Bittersweet Paradox Patreon | Bittersweet Paradox Writing Club | Bluesky (Bittersweet Paradox) | Bluesky (Capitalism for Good) | Capitalism for Good’s Between the Interviews Podcast | Capitalism for Good Patreon | Capitalism for Green Patreon | Capitalism for Green: The Blog | Company Mentions | Email Bittersweet Paradox | Email Capitalism for Good | Email Capitalism for Green | Facebook | Instagram (Andrea & her 2026 Goal = No New Things, Only New Experiences) | Instagram (Bittersweet Paradox) | Instagram (Capitalism for Good) | Instagram (Capitalism for Green) | Spotify (Bittersweet Paradox) | Spotify (Capitalism for Good) | Spotify (Capitalism for Green) | The Store, by CFG | TikTok (Capitalism for Good) | YouTube (Capitalism for Good)Apple | Patreon | Email | Instagram | Spotify | TikTok | YouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    21 分