Can You Do This Work Without It Hurting You? Coach Emily Fanjoy on Burnout Recovery
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This is the trap of high achiever burnout: the more you deliver, the more the same work gets handed to you. And if it's not aligned with your superpower and purpose, it's the path to burnout. In this conversation, host Roger Kastner sits with Inner Authority coach Emily Fanjoy to unpack the "competence cage" when we're prisoner to our own success, and how to reclaim inner authority. Emily shares her story of service without self, chronic injury, and a terrifying career reset. Emily also shares the name it to tame it framework and why self-care sometimes means saying no to what you want.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
• The competence cage forms when doing things well earns you more and more responsibility, until exhaustion and resentment feel like the price of being good at your job.
• The cage stays locked when you outsource your authority to bosses, experts, coaches, or even AI. Breaking out starts with standing in your own inner authority.
• Clean pain is facing what hurts and working through it, so it has a lifespan. Dirty pain is avoidance and denial, and it can last indefinitely.
• Naming your feelings before, during, and after a new behavior builds the wiring for new beliefs. Name it to tame it.
• Your capacity to show up for others is limited by how much you give to yourself first.
QUESTIONS THIS EPISODE ANSWERS
Q: What is the competence cage?
A: It's Emily Fanjoy's term for the trap high performers fall into when competence keeps earning them more work and responsibility. Like the frog in slowly heating water, they don't notice until they are worn out, resentful, and missing the best parts of themselves.
Q: What is the difference between clean pain and dirty pain?
A: Emily draws on Resmaa Menakem's "My Grandmother's Hands." Dirty pain comes from avoidance, denial, and trying to control what you can't. Clean pain means looking directly at the challenge and working through it, so it has a limited lifespan.
Q: How do high achievers learn to trust themselves again?
A: Emily works with clients to expand their feelings vocabulary, run small belief and behavior experiments, and track how they feel before, during, and after. Naming the discomfort keeps you out of reactivity and builds trust in your own signal.
Q: Is self-care selfish?
A: Emily says no. Doing your own work is in service of the greater good, and real self-care sometimes means the harder choice: listening to what your body needs even when it disappoints you or others.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Can I do this work without it hurting me?
01:31 Meet Emily Fanjoy
02:18 What is the competence cage?
04:07 Emily's own cage: service over self
06:24 Breaking out: help and conscious choice
07:38 Clean pain vs dirty pain
11:19 Why smart leaders struggle to trust a felt sense
14:41 Name it to tame it
15:51 Trusting wisdom in others, then yourself
22:52 Superpowers start as unmet needs
28:36 Self-care means doing what's hard
31:07 Superpower: synthesis and deep listening
34:28 What AI reveals about outsourcing authority
38:15 What Emily knows to be true
Full transcript: https://whatdoyouknowtobetrue.com/video-epsiodes
RESOURCES MENTIONED
Emily’s Website: https://www.emilyfanjoy.com/
Emily’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-fanjoy-9358301b9/
Music in this episode by Sosin
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