Harvey Guillén (What We Do in the Shadows, Rocky Horror on Broadway) joins Michael and Asher for a real romp. They alo get into rat sympathy, learning Wicked in Japanese, a spider infested computer, and Harvey's Netflix true crime podcast Killer Stories.

00:00 Cold Open
00:31 Housekeeping & Show Plugs
01:37 Meet Harvey Guillén
02:17 Covid on Watch What Happens Live
03:13 Broadway Understudies & Swings
06:04 Musical Theater School Stories
08:26 Central Park Breakdancers & Talent vs. Tenacity
11:04 Strict School Rules & the Late Policy
18:11 Aikido Spanking Stories
21:04 First Gig: Moving to Japan
27:22 Covid on Set with Susan Sarandon
32:42 Moving to NYC, LA, and Landing "Huge"
38:28 Broadway: The Hardest Job & Rocky Horror
41:44 The "You Look Great" Backhanded Compliment
47:11 If You Give a Mouse a Cookie & Rat Sympathy
52:11 The Spider Infested Computer
54:54 Do Flies Wash Their Hands?
56:15 The Orphan Sloth Video & Sherie Rene Scott
60:24 What's Next: Action Roles on Shadows
62:28 Killer Stories: Harvey's True Crime Podcast
66:41 Is New York Actually Scary?
72:00 Full Throated Endorsement: Seafood Boil

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Rachel Abrams (co-host of The Daily) joins the podcast to finally settle the debate: was E.T. slimy or dry? She also talks about her journey to becoming a host of The Daily, and gives a full-throated endorsement of the chicken at Medieval Times.

00:00:00 Cold Open: The Rocky Raccoon Weather Bit
00:00:28 Welcome to But Also, With Guest Rachel Abrams
00:01:03 Rachel's 17 Years in Journalism, From Variety to the Times
00:04:12 The Moonves Investigation and the Source Who Lost Everything
00:06:49 How Rachel Became a Host of The Daily
00:08:43 Michael's Wife Thinks Rachel Hosts The Daily Show
00:10:58 The Fake 49ers Player Scammer
00:12:18 Only Recognized as "Michael Barbaro"
00:14:38 The Craft of Sounding Natural on the Radio
00:19:10 Unconventional Paths Into the New York Times
00:23:18 Ira Glass's Advice on Leaning Into Humor
00:25:22 Finding Humor in Dark and Serious Stories
00:32:48 The Philosophy of Comedy and Truth
00:34:10 Segment: The Daily Quiz
00:40:36 Google Thinks Rachel Abrams Is Dead
00:41:15 Party Tricks: Presidents and Days of the Week
00:50:17 Rachel's Childhood Radio Career
00:52:33 Life After Late Night and Chasing Comedy Jobs
00:58:35 Ayahuasca, MDMA, and Psychedelic Confessions
01:04:15 Full Throated Endorsement: Medieval Times Chicken
01:10:37 Was E.T. Wet or Dry? The Spielberg Story
01:13:45 Outro

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Comedian Emmy Blotnick (What's Her Secret?) joins Michael and Asher for a debate on matcha v coffee, dueling theories on who really invented the hamburger, and a detour through museum size preferences. They also try to crack the mystery of a stranger's stuffed bell pepper texts before Emmy closes with a full throated endorsement of PBS Passport.

00:00:00 Cold open: the pepper tease
00:00:36 Matcha, coffee, and caffeine confessions
00:06:08 World Cup memories and soccer fandom
00:07:01 Finding fame later in life
00:09:37 Michael's Scooby-Doo tic
00:11:40 Childhood career dreams
00:12:55 Got Milk ads and the milk mustache debate
00:18:41 Modeling gigs gone wrong
00:22:59 Hometowns, pizza, and the hamburger debate
00:27:47 Niche museums we love
00:30:57 Stendhal syndrome and how Houdini died
00:35:35 Family heritage surprises
00:39:20 A West Wing detour and Hungarian food debate
00:46:41 Budapest, bathhouses, and Asher's beret era
00:50:26 Weirdest things we did as kids
00:56:26 Emmy's new special, What's Her Secret?
00:58:04 CSO nostalgia and the special's reception
01:00:38 Community notes and getting corrected online
01:04:46 Celebrities who avoid social media and Instagram anxiety
01:08:21 Bell pepper texts and other side quests
01:15:07 Full throated endorsement: PBS Passport
01:18:42 Outro and the pepper challenge

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