This episode contains descriptions of death, funeral malpractice, and the mishandling of human remains, which some listeners may find deeply upsetting. Listener discretion is advised. If you have recently experienced a bereavement, you may wish to skip this episode or proceed with caution.
Business & a brew returns with Part Two of our “Bodies for Sale” series, and this time Dani and Si head to New York to unpack one of the darkest scandals in the human tissue industry. In this episode, they explore the case of former oral surgeon Michael Mastro Marino and his company, Biomedical Tissue Services, which ran a multi-state criminal enterprise harvesting human tissue from more than a thousand bodies without consent.
The episode dives into the human impact of the scandal, including real patient stories of infection, disease transmission, and life-altering complications from implants that should never have been used. Si also shares the deeply unsettling British connection through the story of Sir Alistair Cooke, the revered broadcaster whose body was secretly harvested after his death, against everything he and his family would have wanted.
Together, they examine the uncomfortable truth about how profitable the legal tissue industry is, where the line between legal and illegal sits, and what happens when consent and screening are treated as optional.
The episode closes with a reflection on the vulnerability of the human body after death, the responsibility of those entrusted with our remains, and the urgent need for stronger oversight in industries built on trust. Dani and Si sign off with a promise that the next episode will be less horrific, along with a heartfelt thank you to listeners and to the team.
About Simon and Danielle:
Simon and Danielle are both business owners, based in the East Midlands, who met through mutual business contacts and who share a love of all things business.
Simon runs Skylight Media – Award-winning experts in Website Design, E-commerce & Marketing running since 2003.
Danielle runs Goldspun Support – a multi-faceted support service for fractional directors and small business owners across the globe, running since 2009.
Since they first met Simon and Danielle have spent a ridiculous amount of time talking about the subjects that interest them – usually over a drink in the pub – and they decided that now was the time to bring these conversations to a wider audience and invite them to join the chat.
Both Simon and Danielle are successful business owners in their own rights with big plans for the future but will never lose their love of talking all things business… and the pub.