Today's guest is Benedikt Stemmildt, founder of hackers&wizards and co-chair of the CodeTalks conference. With more than 15 years in software, Benedikt now spends most of his time helping companies and product teams adopt agentic engineering, from training to full transformation.

We talked about why product and engineering roles are merging, why engineers resist AI the most, where the time you save with agents should actually go, and why Benedikt is not a fan of spec-driven development.

(00:00) Spec-driven is waterfall again

(01:07) When product and engineering merge

(03:53) Sponsor break

(07:01) Why engineers resist the most

(19:29) Where 80% of the tokens go

(24:08) A factory is just automation

(34:10) Few skills, many agents

(41:02) Stop reviewing every line

(45:16) Weaponize your skepticism

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