Some conversations change you. This is one of them.

Steve Serbic spent decades as a firefighter and Fire Chief, responding to suicides, talking people back from ledges, removing guns from homes, and holding space for first responders at their lowest. He became one of Canada's most recognised voices on mental health, spoke to 26 countries at the European Council, delivered a TEDx talk, and wrote two books about his journey through depression.

And yet.

The chaplain who got Steve to stand on a stage and talk openly about his depression, the man who convinced him that vulnerability wasn't weakness, took his own life.

In this episode, Steve sits down with Tim to talk about what that moment did to him, what it took to come back from it, and why he believes the conversation around men and mental health is still the most important one we're not having loudly enough.

This episode covers:

• Growing up in the care system and finding purpose through the fire service
• Multiple suicides within his department including close friends
• His brother's suicide - and the phone call the night it happened
• The chaplain Ken Gill - the man who changed everything, and what happened to him
• Living with depression and anxiety as a senior leader
• Crisis intervention work - the Golden Gate Bridge, jumpers, removing guns, driving people to emerge
• Why 75% of all suicides are men - and what Heads Up Guys is doing about it
• Goose - and why this dog has been there through every dark moment
• Why service dogs open doors for men that nothing else can

This episode is dedicated to every first responder and member of the armed forces who puts themselves in harm's way so that we don't have to. We see you. We hear you. Thank you.

If you're struggling right now - please reach out. You are not alone. 🇨🇦 988 — North America 🇬🇧 116 123 — United Kingdom 🇦🇺 13 11 14 — Australia

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