Roberta shared her mission to help people rediscover joy and fulfillment by believing that change is possible. She explained how many individuals stay stuck in pain because they cannot envision a different reality. Michael reflected on his own journey, describing how meaningful work has been a powerful source of joy. Together, they encouraged listeners to evaluate their daily habits and make small, intentional shifts that lead to a more fulfilling life.

Michael opened up about his unconventional career path, from accounting to IT to non-profit leadership, before founding Breakfast Leadership Network. Roberta emphasized that people often view career changes through a lens of judgment or failure rather than exploration. She invited listeners to reconnect with curiosity and imagination instead of constantly chasing the next milestone. Both agreed that fulfillment comes from living with intention, not from accumulating achievements.

Michael described how curiosity has shaped his career decisions, allowing him to adapt and thrive across industries. Roberta expanded on the connection between burnout and curiosity, explaining that chronic stress can suppress creativity and focus. She emphasized that rest and nervous system recovery are essential steps toward reigniting curiosity and personal growth.

The conversation turned to burnout in high-pressure fields like the mortgage industry. Michael and Roberta discussed how identity and self-worth often become tied to professional success. Roberta shared her experience of losing her job during the 2008 market collapse and the emotional toll it took on her confidence. Michael noted that while workplace stress is real, much of it stems from internal expectations. They encouraged listeners to replace fatigue with curiosity and focus on what can be controlled.

Roberta opened up about how losing her career led to deep questions about identity and purpose. Michael shared that his own journey through adversity helped him rediscover meaning and direction. They agreed that personal growth requires reflection and a willingness to define happiness on one’s own terms. Both highlighted the importance of mindset ownership and the courage to rebuild with clarity.

Michael and Roberta concluded with a discussion on the intersection of joy, curiosity, and entrepreneurship. Drawing insights from Roberta’s book Open for Business, they explored how business owners can integrate playfulness, experimentation, and authenticity into their work. They encouraged listeners to pursue their goals with curiosity rather than fear, reminding them that joy is not the absence of struggle—it is the presence of purpose.

Episode Theme: Rediscovering joy, curiosity, and fulfillment by embracing change, managing burnout, and building a mindset of exploration in both work and life.

Related Links:

• BreakfastLeadership.com/blog – Articles on leadership, burnout recovery, and workplace culture.

• The Joy Experiment – Learn more about Roberta’s work helping people find joy and meaning through lifestyle transformation.

Helping Women Build a Life & Business Rooted in Joy, Ease, and Aligned Success Roberta Gill Ravella is the visionary behind The Joy Experiment—a transformative framework designed to help women step out of struggle and into a life and business filled with joy, ease, and flow. Drawing from her decades of experience in sales, marketing, entrepreneurship, and personal development, Roberta helps clients rewrite the rules of success by leading with alignment, worthiness, and purpose. After years of chasing achievement through hustle and burnout, Roberta asked a powerful question: What if success didn’t have to be so hard? That question sparked the creation of The Joy Experiment, a values-based coaching approach that guides women to reconnect with their core, simplify their path to growth, and build success that feels just as good as it looks. Roberta works with purpose-driven women entrepreneurs, creatives, and leaders who are ready to replace self-doubt with self-trust, confusion with clarity, and pressure with peace. Her message is a refreshing antidote to hustle culture—and a rallying cry for those seeking a more intentional, fulfilling way to grow. When she’s not coaching or speaking, you’ll find Roberta exploring the mindset shifts that turn burnout into balance and teaching others how to lead with joy, not just chase it.

In this episode, Michael D. Levitt sits down with Erik Braund, CEO of Katmai Tech, to explore how immersive 3D virtual collaboration is transforming the future of work. Katmai’s groundbreaking platform redefines remote interaction by combining video presence with spatial freedom—creating an environment that mirrors the energy and spontaneity of a physical office.

Erik explains how Katmai bridges the gap between traditional video conferencing and in-person work. Unlike static grid calls, Katmai enables users to move freely in a 3D virtual space, sparking natural, spontaneous conversations. The result?

• A 70% reduction in standing meetings for users

• Average engagement of 23 hours per week—nearly double the time people typically spend on Zoom or Teams

• Shorter, more meaningful interactions, averaging 15 minutes among small groups

Erik shares how these immersive environments foster authentic collaboration, serendipitous moments, and stronger team culture—elements often lost in remote work setups.

Michael builds on the conversation by highlighting the evolving nature of work. He references insights from leaders like Jamie Dimon, exploring how workplace flexibility enhances autonomy, engagement, and performance. Michael notes that trust and choice are central to preventing burnout and driving productivity.

He humorously recalls a company that had to schedule a meeting—ironically—to discuss having too many meetings, reinforcing the idea that tools like Katmai can make communication more efficient and human-centered.

Erik and Michael dive into the psychology of remote work, discussing the pitfalls of multitasking and blurred boundaries. Both stress the need for intentional systems that support focus and well-being.

Erik explains how Katmai’s user-friendly interface helps teams stay connected without overwhelming them with constant pings or apps. The platform promotes mindful communication, encouraging quick, productive exchanges rather than endless calls.

Michael connects this to his Breakfast Leadership Network philosophy, emphasizing that burnout prevention begins with designing work environments—virtual or physical—that support energy, creativity, and balance.

• Immersive collaboration is redefining remote culture by bringing “office energy” online.

• Flexibility and autonomy are critical to engagement and performance.

• Meeting reduction and better-designed communication tools lead to happier, more focused teams.

• Technology should enhance human connection, not replace it.

Links & Resources

• Learn more about Katmai Tech: https://www.katmaitech.com

• Related reading on burnout, leadership, and workplace culture: BreakfastLeadership.com/blog

A new Solitaire Bliss report reveals that 95% of managers monitor employees, but this growing trend may be damaging workplace trust and culture. Learn how constant surveillance increases burnout, reduces retention, and what leaders can do to rebuild psychological safety and transparency. Discover leadership strategies from the Breakfast Leadership Network to shift from control to trust-driven performance.

Article: https://www.breakfastleadership.com/blog/how-employee-monitoring-is-reshaping-workplace-culture-and-what-leaders-must-do-differently

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In this episode, I sat down with Jim to explore the powerful role of the subconscious in shaping our lives. Jim shared how behaviors and outcomes are often dictated by subconscious identities, and how reprogramming these patterns can create lasting success. He walked us through his own journey—from a poor Texas farm boy to a multi-millionaire—showing firsthand what’s possible when you align your subconscious beliefs with your goals. I added my own reflections on reinvention throughout my career, reinforcing how our inner identity becomes the foundation for personal and professional growth.

We also explored how curiosity and interests are formed over time. I shared my shift from struggling in science classes to developing a genuine passion for it later in life, while Jim reflected on his early challenges with math. Together, we unpacked how childhood experiences and ingrained beliefs can set the stage for our strengths, struggles, and perceptions of ability later in adulthood.

Jim drew a clear contrast between the mindset of successful millionaires and those who remain financially stuck. He explained that high performers are constantly driven to grow—either by the desire to surpass family achievements or by the fear of losing what they’ve built—while those struggling often default to excuses and fear of failure. We discussed how identity shapes habits and behaviors, influencing not just personal success but also the divides we see in today’s social and political climate.

Together, we explored how identity can unite or divide us. Using the metaphor of a tree fighting against itself, we reflected on how clinging to manufactured identities can lead to destruction. Jim and I both emphasized the importance of evolving beyond these surface-level divides and recognizing our shared human needs and goals as the path toward real progress.

We closed by talking about the daily battle against subconscious barriers and external influences. Jim highlighted how his podcast helps listeners reprogram habits and reframe subconscious beliefs, while I reflected on the growing need to manage how social media and technology shape our identities. The key takeaway: true growth requires awareness, action, and the courage to break free from limiting patterns so you can step into your full potential.

Ready to truly transform your life—professionally, personally, and spiritually? Whether you’re seeking breakthroughs in business, deeper relationships, or inner alignment, Jim Fortin is the mentor high-performing leaders turn to when they’re ready to change from the inside out.

Jim is the creator and host of The Jim Fortin Podcast, a global chart-topper with over two million downloads in its first two years. Widely regarded as a leading voice in subconscious self-transformation, Jim has shared stages with icons like Tony Robbins, Dr. Phil, Robert Kiyosaki, and George Foreman, offering a unique blend of behavioral science and ancient wisdom to shift how people lead and live.

For over two decades, Jim has trained thousands—from Wall Street executives to local business owners—in the art of human effectiveness, sales influence, and his signature method: NeuroPersuasion®, a breakthrough system rooted in NLP, hypnosis, and brain-based performance strategies. Through his company Mind Authority, Jim has privately coached global changemakers in business, government, and social impact to access clarity, alignment, and elevated results.

His sought-after programs—The Transformational Coaching Program and Be Do Have Training Series—have helped individuals rewrite limiting narratives, dissolve sabotaging patterns, and create powerful shifts in every area of life.

Jim Fortin isn’t just teaching transformation—he’s helping people embody it.

Website: https://www.jimfortin.com/

Podcast: https://www.jimfortin.com/episode-1-transforming-your-life-from-the-inside-out/

In this episode of the Breakfast Leadership Show, we explore why purpose, not just pay, is the true magnet for top talent in today’s competitive job market. Drawing from a recent Breakfast Leadership Network article, we break down an eight-step framework for creating a culture where meaning and belonging drive performance and retention.

You’ll learn how to clearly define and embed purpose into daily work, celebrate behaviors that align with your values, and position leaders as “Chief Culture Officers” who live and breathe the organization’s mission. We also discuss why culture isn’t just an HR initiative—it’s a powerful business asset that directly impacts engagement, retention, and ROI.

If you’re a leader looking to transform jobs into meaningful journeys and build a workplace where people thrive, this episode is your roadmap.

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In this episode, I sit down with Jeff Nieman, Chief Operating Officer at Merchants Fleet, to explore the evolving world of fleet management and logistics. With more than two decades of experience in the industry, including 20 years at Hertz Corporation, Jeff shares insights into the complexity of managing fleets across industries and the strategies organizations can use to optimize operations, cut costs, and maximize vehicle utilization—especially during times of economic disruption.

Jeff and I unpack the importance of efficient fleet management and the logistics behind moving goods and people. He explains how Merchants’ product FleetShare helps companies solve utilization challenges by allowing shared vehicle access across business units. This approach not only improves efficiency but also reduces waste. Data analysis plays a key role in determining the right number of vehicles, while their digital platform provides businesses with seamless self-service vehicle access.

We dive into Merchants’ groundbreaking fleet-sharing platform, designed to let businesses rent vehicles for short periods and even share them across companies during peak demand. This innovation reduces costs, generates revenue, and addresses common pain points like underutilized vehicles and storage expenses. Jeff also explains how this approach could support the transition to electric vehicles by helping organizations coordinate usage and overcome range limitations.

Our conversation also touches on the role of AI in fleet management and logistics. Jeff highlights both the opportunities and risks of implementing AI, particularly around governance, compute costs, and operational impacts. We agree that starting with simple, practical AI applications is the best way to build trust and results before moving into more advanced implementations.

To learn more about how Merchants Fleet is transforming the industry, visit merchantsfleet.com.

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Michael and Joe explore how podcasting helps build relationships, boost visibility, and grow businesses. Joe, a 20-year radio veteran and founder of Podtopia Network, shares insights on using podcasts as a long-term marketing tool. Michael discusses how The Breakfast Leadership Show became a platform for connection, storytelling, and collaboration. Together, they highlight simple strategies for starting a podcast, finding your audience, and turning authentic conversations into opportunities for growth.

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