Fear spreads fastest when people think the “other side” is abstract. That’s why our conversation with Anya Marino lands so hard: she brings both lived experience and deep legal expertise to questions that usually get reduced to slogans. Anya is a transgender woman, a national legal advocate for transgender and non-binary rights, and Miss Gay America Femme 2026, and she helps us separate what the Constitution actually says from what cable news says it means.

We dig into transgender rights through the lens of the First Amendment, Title VII workplace discrimination, and the practical reality of pronouns at work and in daily life. We also get specific about public schools and libraries, book restrictions, and why “age appropriate” can’t be used as a cover for viewpoint-based bans. From there, the conversation turns to conversion therapy and conversion practices, what medical organizations say about harm, and why rebranding dangerous ideas as “treatment” still leaves kids paying the price.

Then we take on the toughest topics head-on: transgender participation in women’s sports under Title IX, how enforcement can lead to sex verification testing and body policing, and why bathroom bans can create safety risks for everyone, including cisgender women and girls. We close with a bigger question about open debate, political rhetoric, and what it looks like to call people in instead of calling them out. If you want a thoughtful, detailed discussion on gender identity, gender dysphoria, gender-affirming care, civil liberties, and how we live together in public, press play.

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In this episode of Both Sides of the Fence, Derek McCance and Jennifer McIntyre sit down with Lenny McAllister Jr., a conservative Black leader, political commentator, media host, and author of the upcoming book A Venn Diagram of One, set to release in August 2026.

Known for his work across newspapers, digital media, radio, and television, Lenny brings a powerful and unique perspective to today’s political and cultural conversations.

As an African-American voice within the Black conservatism movement, Lenny has often challenged assumptions from both sides of the aisle.

Together, Derek, Jennifer, and Lenny discuss the bold framework behind A Venn Diagram of One - America’s “second act” built on three pillars: Security, Empowerment, and Opportunity. The conversation explores how national inflection points can become moments of reflection, why echo chambers are weakening our shared future, and how Americans can build bridges without surrendering conviction.

This episode is a challenge to choose hope over division, action over outrage, and purpose over trend. It is a call to restore the American Dream through courage, personal responsibility, civic engagement, and the power of the pivot, while reclaiming the “United” in the United States.

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n this deeply personal and emotional episode of Both Sides of the Fence, co-hosts Jennifer McIntyre and Derek McCance sit down with Jennifer’s daughter, Nayeli McIntyre, to talk openly about one of the most difficult chapters their family has ever faced.

Together, they discuss Nayeli’s struggles during her pre-teen years with gender dysphoria, depression, and self-harm, and the fear, confusion, isolation, and emotional weight that came with trying to understand those feelings at such a young age.

Jennifer shares what it was like trying to support and protect her child while also wrestling with beliefs and perspectives that challenged her own understanding of the world. Rather than approaching the conversation through politics or ideology, this episode focuses on the raw reality of family, love, communication, and the complicated space where deeply held beliefs and unconditional love collide.

Honest, vulnerable, and at times heartbreaking, this conversation is about listening, navigating uncertainty together, and remembering the humanity on both sides of deeply emotional issues.

If you would like to contact Jenn, please don't hesitate to send her an email, jennifer@bothsidesofthefence.net

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