What really happened inside the 2024 election?

Bestselling political journalist Amie Parnes joins The World and Stuff to talk about her explosive new book Fight: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House.

We explore some of the juicest stories from the book, including why Obama and Pelosi didn’t want Harris to be the nominee, Trump’s campaign strategy (including Baron's surprising role), Biden’s debate collapse, and the advice Mike Pence had for the Harris team.

Packed with behind-the-scenes moments and untold stories, this episode is essential listening for anyone trying to make sense of the 2024 presidential campaign.

📅 Recorded: May 12, 2025

📖 Guest: Amie Parnes

⏱ Chapters

00:00 – Intro: Who is Amie Parnes?

02:41 – The 2000 Recount and Getting Hooked on Politics

06:14 – Inside the Obama Years at Politico

09:40 – Did Democrats Misread the 2020 Mandate?

13:50 – Why Biden Ran Again — and Should He Have?

18:37 – Inside Debate Prep: The Red Flags No One Heeded

23:28 – Pelosi’s Dagger and Why Obama Wouldn’t Back Harris

30:31 – Kamala’s Struggles and Trump’s Disciplined Campaign

39:54 – Baron Trump’s Podcast Strategy and Rogan Fallout

54:48 – Final Pitches, Missed Moments, and Election Night Shock

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