In this deeply meaningful episode, The Amys sit down with Sue Alexander, founder of Losing Lulu, to talk about one of the most painful and misunderstood decisions in companion animal care: behavioral euthanasia.

Together, we explore the emotional weight carried by families and professionals when love isn’t enough to keep everyone safe. Sue shares her behavioral euthanasia stories, and the origin story behind Losing Lulu, how the community has become a lifeline for grieving pet guardians, and why shame and silence so often surround this topic. We discuss the moral injury experienced by veterinarians, trainers, and behavior teams, and how creating space for honest, compassionate dialogue can change outcomes for everyone involved.

We also preview the upcoming Losing Lulu Summit — a gathering dedicated to education, support, and reducing stigma around complex behavioral cases. If you work in veterinary medicine, training, or behavior — or if you’ve ever loved a “complicated” pet — this episode offers validation, nuance, and hope in the midst of heartbreak.

This is a tender, courageous conversation about grief, ethics, responsibility, and the profound love we carry for the animals who challenge and change us 🌈.

Grab a cocktail, and get up to speed on the latest buzzzzzz, courtesy of your favorite VBees 🐝🐝, on the latest episode of Behavior Buzzzzzz with 2 Amys veterinary behavior podcast.

• Visit The Honey Pot at behaviorbuzzzzzz.com for more information about Losing Lulu and our very special guest, Sue Alexander. Thanks, Sue!

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Amy L. Pike, DVM, DACVB, IAABC-CDBC - Co-Host
Amy Learn, VMD, DACVB, IAABC-CABC - Co-Host
Teryn Blais, Executive Producer
John LaSala, Podcast Editor

Some pets don’t fit neatly into a single diagnosis – and neither do their treatment plans. Join the Amys and their dynamic guests, Board-Certified Veterinary Behaviorist Dr. E’Lise Christensen and Certified Dog Behavior Consultant Ursa Acree, to discuss their innovative Complex Pets Program, which is designed to support animals with interwoven medical and behavioral needs. They discuss what makes a case “complex,” why collaborative care is essential, and how bridging behavior and medicine can change outcomes for pets and their people.

Dr. Christensen and Ursa share how their program creates a structured, compassionate approach for families who may feel overwhelmed, unheard, or stuck. This conversation is a thoughtful look at truly wholistic pet care – where behavior, pain, chronic disease, stress, and environment all matter. And a reminder that even the most complicated cases deserve clarity, teamwork, and hope.

Whether you’re a veterinary professional or a deeply devoted pet parent, this episode offers insight, validation, and practical takeaways for navigating complexity with confidence. It’s time to grab a cocktail, and get up to speed on the latest buzzzzzz, courtesy of your favorite VBees 🐝🐝, on the latest episode of Behavior Buzzzzzz with 2 Amys veterinary behavior podcast.

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• Visit The Honey Pot at behaviorbuzzzzzz.com for additional episode references and more information about our brilliant guests. Thanks, E’Lise! Thanks, Ursa!

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Thank you to our amazing sponsors:
PRN Pharmacal, makers of Reconcile®
Nestlé Purina PetCare, makers of Purina Pro Plan® Veterinary Diets & Purina Pro Plan® Veterinary Supplements
Malena DeMartini, Inc. founder, Certified Separation Anxiety Training (CSAT) & Mission POSSIBLE
Ceva Animal Health, makers of ThunderEase® & FELIWAY® products

Amy L. Pike, DVM, DACVB, IAABC-CDBC - Co-Host
Amy Learn, VMD, DACVB, IAABC-CABC - Co-Host
Teryn Blais, Executive Producer
John LaSala, Podcast Editor

Come for the mystery... stay for the buzzzzzz 🥂! And now... the suspenseful conclusion of this two-part series featuring world renowned animal behaviorist and author, Dr. Patricia McConnell.

CHEERS! from your favorite VBees 🐝🐝 and the team at Behavior Buzzzzzz with 2 Amys veterinary behavior podcast. Thanks for sticking with us! 🍯

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• Dr. McConnell's website: patriciamcconnell.com
• Away to Me website: patriciamcconnell.com/away-to-me/
• Dr. McConnell's blog: The Other End of The Leash

Visit The Honey Pot at behaviorbuzzzzzz.com for additional episode references and more information about our mysterious guest, Dr. Patricia McConnell. Thanks, Tricia!!

Bee Positive. Bee Informed.

JOIN US and the HIVE MIND at behaviorbuzzzzzz.com
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Thank you to our amazing sponsors:
PRN Pharmacal, makers of Reconcile®
Nestlé Purina PetCare, makers of Purina Pro Plan® Veterinary Diets & Purina Pro Plan® Veterinary Supplements
Malena DeMartini, Inc. founder, Certified Separation Anxiety Training (CSAT) & Mission POSSIBLE
Ceva Animal Health, makers of ThunderEase® & FELIWAY® products

Amy L. Pike, DVM, DACVB, IAABC-CDBC - Co-Host
Amy Learn, VMD, DACVB, IAABC-CABC - Co-Host
Teryn Blais, Executive Producer
John LaSala, Podcast Editor