The gang talk Ed Sheeran, Macklemore, and whether artists - even really, really bland ones - should "get political".

Laura, Malky and Jonty also reflect on the wonderful Greenbelt Festival 2026, their favourite moments and what the festival means to so many. Check out the episode on beerchristianity.co.uk for the videos for Animal by Katseye and Prick, if you're a deep dier. And check out the video version of Episode 123 on YouTube.

A discussion about art, resistance, justice and beauty with artist Makoto Fujimura and human rights advocate Haejin Fujimura.

Resistance as an artistic and cultural concept, kintsugi as a Korean-Japanese practice, and the value of beholding and focusing on what is generative: awide-ranging discussion of concepts of creativity and resisting injustice as central to Christian life.

You can find out more about the Beer Christianity podcast at beerchristianity.co.uk and you can find out more about the Fujimuras' work at embersinternational.org as well as iamculturecare.com and makotofujimura.com

To read an edited version of this interview in print, as well as other interviews and essays about art, protest, resistance and faith, check out Issue 9 of Shibboleth magazine.

Leigh Finke was the first openly trans woman to be elected to the Minnesota House of Representatives. She authored and championed Minnesota's Trans Refuge Bill and has worked tirelessly to expand LGBTQ+ protections in her state. She is also a Christian and author of Queerfully and Wonderfully Made: A Guide for LGBTQ+ Christian Teens. She spoke to Jonty, for Beer Christianity and an article in Issue 9 of Shibboleth magazine, about being trans in America and in politics, about how the "conversation" has shifted and about her own journey.

You can read the article by subscribing to Shibboleth and getting your copy in print from shibbolethmag.com where you can also read a small selection of articles from previous issues. You can find more from this podcast at beerchristianity.co.uk or scroll back wherever you get your podcasts.

Beer Christianity is an anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, anti-racist, pro-LGBTQ+, pro-environment, pro-Palestine, pro-feminist, pro-Jesus podcast that is not nearly as serious as this makes it sound.