This week, Kate unpacks the art, science, and history of gossip with Kelsey McKinney (from the beloved podcast Normal Gossip and author of NYT bestselling book You Didn't Hear This From Me). They explore a variety of angles for this topic, such as how dismissing gossip as "women's talk" has historically been a tool of patriarchal control, religious institutions, or corporations, etc., and how gossip networks have actually served as feminist resistance channels throughout history. They also examine their complicated relationship with parasocial relationships and "entitlement gossip," forever navigating the fine line between being messy Bs who love tea and recognizing gossip's legitimate social power. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate delves into Katy Perry's career decline, but not before being wrongly accused of a crime she didn’t commit, and the exchange unfolds in real time for listeners. She also reviews how space is, like, shockingly close, and how Blue Origin girl bossed too close to the moon and may have landed on earth, but the faux feminist PR machine didn’t land with the gen pop. She also snorkels through her accidental Isabella brunette moment this week that led to some introspection about maintaining her appearance postpartum, never quite figuring out if she’s found reclamation or resignation in not prioritizing beauty rituals the way she once did. Finally, she investigates something she was asking herself during Katy Perry’s 11 minutes in space: why has her career commercially declined so drastically over the past 11 years, the last time she had #1 singles and best-selling albums? In Kate’s opinion, it comes down to one thing, and it’s perhaps a worse feminist take than the motto of the bootcut bodysuit brigade thinking they’d inspire us by “taking up space.” Enjoy!

This week, Kate and (esteemed author/podcaster/friend) Nora McInerny answer a few Katelilah voicemails in between meandering conversations about spatial awareness, nostalgia, White Lotus, childhood friendships, Jersey Mikes, modern teenagers, the experience of trying on shoes in a store, and so much more! Enjoy!

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