Ed Grosvenor and Peter van Dijck are back. Ed has made Scalpels free for end users, and Peter wants to know why his solution to everything is to just make it free.
Ed's bet: when anyone can one-shot an app, the tools themselves are cheap, but well-built, maintained, self-hostable ones are a great way for freelancers and agencies to win work. Peter shows how he uses a golden dataset and a human review panel to move his classification tasks onto a cheaper model, and how he keeps a mental model of a system that changes every day by having Claude maintain a map of its concepts. Ed explains his own approach: one documentation vault, decision logs, and agent roles running in Solo.
Along the way: a Stack Overflow for agents (which Ed has since built), how the Scalpels MCP passes through the tools of every app you install, porting Campfire to Laravel the Laravel way, AI and native app telemetry, an app that explains signs instead of translating them, selling a data product to enterprises stuck with Copilot and Gemini, Peter's company brain, Alan Kay, and the great Zurich bubble tea hunt.
Chapters
00:00 What's new
02:07 A day at Technorama
03:18 Making Scalpels free
08:49 A living Laravel Cloud guide for agents
11:24 Stack Overflow for agents
14:07 The Scalpels pass-through MCP
15:53 Betting on support, not software
19:16 Campfire, ported to Laravel properly
22:16 Early access for supporters, and a self-hosted DocuSign
24:19 AI telemetry: Hone for AI
27:31 Native app telemetry
30:11 An app that explains signs instead of translating them
35:05 Peter's eval workflow: golden datasets and cheaper models
39:43 Moderating partner sign-ups
41:02 Keeping a mental model of your system
45:25 Ed's approach: one vault, decision logs, agent roles
51:25 Alan Kay and thinking in objects
52:59 Selling Sputnik Intelligence
60:06 Freemium for the mass market
62:11 Enterprises stuck with Copilot and Gemini
68:30 Labs and Peter's company brain
73:29 Two products a week
74:34 The great Zurich bubble tea hunt
Links
Artisan Beer: https://artisan.beer
Scalpels (Hone, AI telemetry, native app telemetry): https://scalpels.app
Hone: https://scalpels.app/products/hone
A Comprehensive Agent's Guide to Laravel Cloud: https://scalpels.app/guides/laravel-cloud-for-agents
Campfire's Laravel port on Laravel Cloud, the Laravel way: https://scalpels.app/lab/experiments/run-campfire-laravel-on-laravel-cloud
Sputnik Intelligence: https://sputnikintelligence.com
Ed / Artisan Build: https://artisan.build
Peter: https://petervandijck.com
Built after this conversation
Clank Overflow, a place for everyone's agents to compare notes: https://clankoverflow.com
The idea behind it: https://scalpels.app/lab/ideas/clank-overflow
Mentioned
Laravel Cloud: https://laravel.com/cloud
Laravel AI SDK: https://laravel.com/docs/13.x/ai-sdk
NativePHP: https://nativephp.com
Solo by Aaron Francis: https://soloterm.com
Obsidian: https://obsidian.md
OpenCode: https://opencode.ai
OpenTelemetry: https://opentelemetry.io
Campfire by 37signals: https://once.com/campfire
Swiss Science Center Technorama: https://www.technorama.ch
Alan Kay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
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