Ariana Grande kicks off her Eternal Sunshine tour, and the early fan photos finally spark a conversation about how perilously thin she looks. But when a star doesn't want her body to be a topic of discussion, how can we talk about what's happening in front of our very eyes?

Vicky and India discuss stan culture and concerts as pilgrimages, with digressions on Phoebe Bridgers' phone-free gig, CMAT's clapback at the body police, and the tragic story of trailblazing drummer Karen Carpenter.

N.B. This was recorded before the news of the breakup with

Links to read more:

Wicked stars Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo look scarily thin – and it makes me uncomfortable, The London Standard: https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/wicked-ariana-grande-cynthia-eviro-thin-b1193895.html

Supper skinny celebs, AntiSocial on BBC Radio 4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002v05c

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