In this episode of Africa Knows, we speak with Dr. Musyimi Mbathi, Senior Lecturer in Urban and Regional Planning at the University of Nairobi.

Drawing on over 20 years of experience across academia, government and the United Nations, Dr. Mbathi reflects on what it means to train the next generation of urban planners.

He discusses the importance of exposing students to real-world urban complexities, grounding research in society’s needs, and embracing participatory approaches to planning.

From informality and resilience to governance and economic development, this conversation explores why the future is urban, and why African cities need planners who are ready for it.

In this episode, Gaddafi is in Kano, Nigeria, speaking to Ibrahim Ado Kurawa, a prominent northern Nigerian writer, historian and Islamic scholar.

Their conversation is about history, knowledge and power in northern Nigeria. And it gives us a glimpse of the rich tradition of scholarship and education in Islamic West Africa, what Kurawa calls the Sudanic tradition, and its interactions with colonialism and more recently, the wider liberalization of knowledge. Kurawa gives us a sense of what the older systems of Islamic learning in Kano were like, in a way, how he experienced them when he was a young man.

He sketches out how they are changing and what may be lost as scholarship moves away from the deeply immersive forms of traditional learning to a faster, more fragmented and more instrumental system of modern education.

But the conversation also turns to why young Nigerians should know their history, how northern Nigeria continues to struggle educationally, why skills training alone cannot solve unemployment, and how the role of traditional leaders in governance has changed under the democratic Nigerian state

Charity is talking to Alice Menya.

And Alice Menya is the Urban Program Coordinator at Nuvoni center, which is an independent research organization based in Nairobi, Kenya, that works together closely with local universities, but also international ones, including in the Netherlands.

Alice is currently a doctoral candidate at the Ardhi University in Dar es Salaam, focusing on planning and governance of resilient cities in East Africa.

She gives us insight into a joint master's program that she's a part of, which brings together Kenyan and Dutch students and explains a lot of the intricacies of what makes it so rewarding, but also difficult to set up internationally collaborative education.

But she also explores interesting and exciting new research approaches, including researching children as a demographic and analyzing people's diaries.